The Trump Presidency: Part 18

[gregthehammer]

Trump Tweets

READ THE TRANSCRIPTS! The Impeachment Hoax is the greatest con job in the history of American politics! The Fake News Media, and their partner, the Democrat Party, are working overtime to make life for the United Republican Party, and all it stands for, as difficult as possible!

Approval Rating in Republican Party = 95%, a Record! Overall Approval Rating = 51%. Think of where I’d be without the never ending, 24 hour a day, phony Witch Hunt, that started 3 years ago!

The United Republican Party?! otherwise known as URP?
derp

 

[JoeMorgue]

He's stopped using dog whistles and is standing on the porch yelling the dog's name.

 

[Galaxie]

Trump Tweets

I look very much forward to debating whoever the lucky person is who stumbles across the finish line in the little watched Do Nothing Democrat Debates. My record is so good on the Economy and all else, including debating, that perhaps I would consider more than 3 debates.....

So in other words, there will be NO debates. Got it, loud and clear.

 

[The Man]

IIRC, "lock her up" got him all the cheers at his rallies. "Drain the Swamp" was the print & ad campaign that actually got him the numbers, as it painted him as the outsider going to clean up DC.

Yeah, some people still believe that bit.

Some how this post didn't get trough so I'll redo it.

Well, due to the video link by Delphic Oracle, the speech I was remembering was about drain the swamp not lock her up. So I was mis-remembering but heck Trump even said when his rallies get boring (I guess when he's not inciting security to stomp on someone) he mentions the wall just to liven things up.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...p-when-audiences-get-bored-use-wall/79573388/

 

[CapelDodger]

So in other words, there will be NO debates. Got it, loud and clear.

Seems likely, but Trump has made the offer, and that'll be pointed out frequently by the usual suspects. When he's taken up on the offer and refuses to honour it the offer will still be pointed out, while the dishonour will pas without comment. ("Fake News" isn't comment, of course.)

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

And I was addressing your comment about covering their asses. But then, unless I misread something, the timeline is something more along the lines of -

1. Lists that would give reason to believe that a person moved were checked.

Were those statewide lists or did they check more selectively?

2. Verification mails were sent out to people from those lists under explicit guidance to not immediately remove those who failed to return the mailings in 30 days. There are plenty of technicalities to potentially exploit here, but they can at least plausibly try to claim that it's not quite voter caging. Remember, voter purges are a useful and pretty much necessary part of bureaucratic upkeep. The abuse and misuse of them to harm political opponents and intentionally disenfranchise large numbers of legitimate voters is the actual problem, not the purge itself.

Yes it is voter caging. You eliminate voters in heavily Democratic areas.

3. Right-wing group pushes forward 3 right-wingers to serve their agenda, wittingly or not, and force the removal of those who hadn't returned the mailings in 30 days, because that's the law.

Not sure what you are referring to here.

4. Judge rules that the written law should be upheld.

Ozaukee County Circuit Judge Paul Malloy: Want to bet he's not partisan?

There are three groups to focus on here when it comes to wrong or potential wrong. First, the lawmakers who made the problematic laws - the ones that are the ones that you rightfully want to condemn for most of the voter suppression tactics that are put in play. Second, the people sending out the mails. This group only has potential wrongs, based on the information there. Using lists that would give reason to believe that person has moved as a basis is not inherently wrong or discriminatory. If they picked and chose or went into the endeavor with the intent to hurt Democrats' chances, then there was wrong, of course. As in Ohio, though, the people at the top are not necessarily the actual bad actors when it comes to serious wrongdoing. To be quite clear, given the right-wing nonsense bubble, there are plenty of Republicans that simply don't know about the numerous and various shenanigans that the less savory GOP members engage in. Third, that right-wing group. Fairly certainly, they intentionally want to harm the Democrats, by the look of it. I can't comment on the 3 people that they pushed forward beyond that those people could either be in on it or have effectively been duped - again, because of how effective the right-wing nonsense bubble actually is.

Blah blah blah. Prove there wasn't partisan purging here. The evidence says there was and you wrote this long rationale why guilty people weren't guilty.

You ignored the other extreme partisanship I cited, sabotaging the new governor, pushing voter ID hard when it's been shown again and again there is no voter fraud, let alone voter fraud the IDs are intended to address.

The Repuglicans in this state are in overdrive-cheating.

When I get more time I'll look into if the lists checked were statewide or more selective.

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

Since we're on the subject of Trump, maybe it's time for a checkup on how the swamp draining is going:


First, let's check on Rudy's activities:

Here’s where the U.S. ambassador, Yovanovitch, was a problem. She had been counseling Naftogaz CEO Kobolyev to resist natural gas projects that might bring Naftogaz back into the corrupt, money-losing days that preceded him. That made her a potential target.
Yovanovitch told House investigators on Oct. 11 that Parnas and Fruman, working with Giuliani and then-prosecutor general Lutsenko, “were interested in having a different ambassador at post … because they wanted to have business dealings in Ukraine, or additional business dealings.”[/quote
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/12/16/rudy-inc/?arc404=true


Next, we can check on what Rick Perry has been up to:

The suit was filed on Friday afternoon in the District Administrative Court of Kyiv, the sources tell TIME, and has not been previously reported. In a draft of the complaint obtained by TIME on Monday, Naftogaz alleges that the government of Ukraine acted illegally and with bias in July when it granted the oil and gas fields to an American company that is co-owned by Michael Bleyzer, one of Perry’s longtime allies and financial backers.

https://time.com/5750669/exclusive-...ut-rick-perrys-role-in-ukraine-energy-sector/

 

[Aridas]

The electoral integrity is threatened by people who move and don't update registration?

This is a "solution searching for a problem."

If your ID and the records don't match, you get a provisional ballot and follow up to confirm.

In other words, this (non-existent) problem already has a fix. Blasting the voter rolls with demographic skew doesn't get any more "benefit of the doubt" unless you willfully ignore 20 years of examples of this tactic.

Calling blatant disenfranchisement "electoral integrity" is entirely bass ackwards.

To quote myself from a few posts earlier than when you responded - "To be quite clear, given the right-wing nonsense bubble, there are plenty of Republicans that simply don't know about the numerous and various shenanigans that the less savory GOP members engage in." There are plenty of GOP dupes, in short. While one could go after them for getting duped by people who know how to dupe them, I'd rather just condemn the dupers.

Were those statewide lists or did they check more selectively?

I don't know. The information there didn't actually cite any of the lists in question. If you have more information on that, feel free to share. It does have relevance. With that said, there were plenty of names to be purged all through the state. They were disproportionately in Democratic areas, certainly, and that's definitely reason for suspicion and investigation, especially as it relates to how many legitimate voters were wrongfully on the list, but not proof of wrongdoing in and of itself.

Yes it is voter caging. You eliminate voters in heavily Democratic areas.

There are plenty of ways to eliminate voters in heavily Democratic areas. Voter caging is just one of them. With that said, you seem to be ignoring the part where the effect of the lawsuit was to make it voter caging, rather than it actually quite being voter caging initially.

Not sure what you are referring to here.

The part about who's actually involved in the trial.

Blah blah blah. Prove there wasn't partisan purging here. The evidence says there was and you wrote this long rationale why guilty people weren't guilty.

You ignored the other extreme partisanship I cited, sabotaging the new governor, pushing voter ID hard when it's been shown again and again there is no voter fraud, let alone voter fraud the IDs are intended to address.

Yeah, maybe try actually reading it before spouting nonsense about what I said like that.

The Repuglicans in this state are in overdrive-cheating.

Some of them, yes.

When I get more time I'll look into if the lists checked were statewide or more selective.

Go for it. As I noted before there, I don't have any information about the specific lists used, just that there were names from all over the state and that those names were disproportionately in Democratic areas. It's entirely possible that there was no wrongdoing, which leads to my hesitance to rush to condemn, but it certainly is very suspicious and definitely worth investigating more directly.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

Congressman Jeff Van Drew is very popular in our great and very united Republican Party. It was a tribute to him that he was able to win his heavily Republican district as a Democrat. People like that are not easily replaceable!

 

[Horatius]

Trump Tweets

Congressman Jeff Van Drew is very popular in our great and very united Republican Party. It was a tribute to him that he was able to win his heavily Republican district as a Democrat. People like that are not easily replaceable!

Okay, I really can't warp* my head around this one. He won as a Democrat, so that makes him a great&poplular Republican? Wha?!?



*That was a typo for "wrap", but it actually fits better so I'm leaving it.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Okay, I really can't warp* my head around this one. He won as a Democrat, so that makes him a great&poplular Republican? Wha?!?



*That was a typo for "wrap", but it actually fits better so I'm leaving it.

Looking for sense in a Trump tweet is like panning for gold in a cat's litter box.

 

[newyorkguy]

Van Drew is a moderate Democrat in a Trump district. He has announced he plans to switch to the GOP. Not all Republicans are praising him.

“This is the end of his career,” said David Richter, a Republican businessman who has been campaigning for Mr. Van Drew’s seat since August and referred to him as a “weasel.” Another Republican in the race, Brian Fitzherbert, who works for a defense contractor, was equally critical. “He’s doing what he’s done for nearly 30 years,” he said. “Political survivorship. It’s desperation.”

Democrats were even more scathing. Nearly all of Mr. Van Drew’s Washington staff abruptly resigned over the weekend. Link

The Republicans already in the race for Van Drew's seat do not plan to withdraw.

 

[Horatius]

Van Drew is a moderate Democrat in a Trump district. He has announced he plans to switch to the GOP. Not all Republicans are praising him.

Yeah, I knew that part of the story. It's Trump's spin on it that's mind boggling.


He won as a Democrat in a Republican-leaning district, which means a lot of R voters switched sides to vote for him. So I expect more than a few of those voters are quite pissed off now, since he essentially repudiated their votes in particular. I know I'd be pissed off if I was one of them. The last election was largely cast as a referendum on Trump, and this guy winning was one of the signs that even some Republicans were not happy with Trump. And now Trump is spinning it to make it look like they're all hunky-dory with this switch.

 

[kookbreaker]

Van Drew’s opposition to impeachment has led his ratings to bottom out around 24% or so. He’s afraid the Democrats will replace him in the primary so he’s switch8ng parties.

But he actually might get primaried by the GOP. There’s a couple of tangible candidates who could easily unseat him. I’m sure Trump will push for Van Drew now, but Trump ain’t exactly popular in Jersey.

 

[The Don]

But he actually might get primaried by the GOP. There’s a couple of tangible candidates who could easily unseat him. I’m sure Trump will push for Van Drew now, but Trump ain’t exactly popular in Jersey.

He might, right up to the time where Van Drew is beaten either in the primary or the election at which point in time he will never have heard of Van Drew, much less pushing for him

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

@FoxNews “Trump wins major victories in China and USMCA trade deals, defense spending and Space Force.” Thank you!

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

The new USA Today Poll, just out, has me leading all of the Democrat contenders. That’s hard to believe since the Fake News & 3 year Scams and Witch Hunts, as phony as they are, just never seem to end. The American people are smart. They see the great economy, & everything else!

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

Would be sooo great if the Fed would further lower interest rates and quantitative ease. The Dollar is very strong against other currencies and there is almost no inflation. This is the time to do it. Exports would zoom!

Senator Josh Hawley (R-Mo) “They (the Dems) don’t have anything. This whole thing is a joke, and it’s time to get the President exonerated. The House has no evidence of any impeachable offense. There’s nothing there, and they didn’t even charge a crime. They’ve had their.....

...chance, they’ve had their kangaroo court, they’ve had their circus for weeks and months. There just isn’t anything there and there’s no way I’m voting for Impeachment for somebody who hasn’t committed any impeachable offenses.”
@IngrahamAngle

 

[The Great Zaganza]

"the Dems are not giving me Due Process! Unlike Mitch McConnell who will give me no Process whatsoever!"

 

[MRC_Hans]

Looking for sense in a Trump tweet is like panning for gold in a cat's litter box.

REALLY? .... Must get a new cat.

Hans