Wash. Rep Shea - “Biblical Basis for War”, Liberty the 51st State, Christian Identity

[Red Baron Farms]

Randy Weaver was No True Nazi and No True Christian. Got it.

Please cite a source for the claim that 50% of the people in Wyoming want to secede from the union.

Your strawmen about the death penalty and "pretending these sentiments don't exist" are kind of silly.

Not silly at all considering the results at Ruby Ridge, not a strawman at all considering the ROE approved prior to the fatal shooting of Vicki by a sniper round between the eyes.

Unless you approve of such things you must admit that an enforcement branch of the federal government became judge jury and executioner all rolled up in one skipping any trials.

Or perhaps you were naive enough to think government snipers accidentally go around executing unarmed US citizens holding babies in their arms?

As for the source it is compiled and adjusted from data obtained from Reuters polls by https://www.quora.com/profile/Chris-Rhodes-65. Personally I think the polls or his analysis might have gotten the numbers a bit high, but even considering all that it is profoundly disturbing to me.

 

[carlitos]

As for the source it is compiled and adjusted from data obtained from Reuters polls by https://www.quora.com/profile/Chris-Rhodes-65. Personally I think the polls or his analysis might have gotten the numbers a bit high, but even considering all that it is profoundly disturbing to me.

Chris Rhodes went to a Reuters poll and extracted crosstabs with sample sizes too small to draw a conclusion, and you drew a conclusion.

And by the way, some states like Wyoming, the separatist movement is actually 50/50 in the population ... yeah that's right, very roughly just as many want to leave the US as stay.

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[Red Baron Farms]

Chris Rhodes went to a Reuters poll and extracted crosstabs with sample sizes too small to draw a conclusion, and you drew a conclusion.

Fair enough.

 

[carlitos]

Now if you prefer to simply call him names like some backwoods racist hick, I couldn't argue the case, but I would simply ask if this has a death penalty involved? Death to all racist rednecks, hillbillies and hicks?

Not silly at all considering the results at Ruby Ridge, not a strawman at all considering the ROE approved prior to the fatal shooting of Vicki by a sniper round between the eyes.

Unless you approve of such things you must admit that an enforcement branch of the federal government became judge jury and executioner all rolled up in one skipping any trials.

Or perhaps you were naive enough to think government snipers accidentally go around executing unarmed US citizens holding babies in their arms?

Your claim - someone (?) says "Death to all racist rednecks, hillbillies and hicks" Who is that person? Where did they say this thing?

Your new strawman - if I don't believe that there is a death penalty for hillbillies, then I must be naive enough to believe that Vicki Weaver was an accidental shooting? That's obviously a false dichotomy; there are myriad details that you have not included in between the hillbilly death penalty and an accidental shooting.

Also, were you going to enlighten us with who and where folks are "pretending these sentiments don't even exist" in a thread where we are all discussing these sentiments?

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

There are reputable polls showing that a sizable minority of people want their states to secede though I can't find one that addresses Wyoming specifically.

http://blogs.reuters.com/jamesrgain...t-their-state-to-secede-from-the-u-s-but-why/

It's more widespread then I would expect.

 

[Red Baron Farms]

Your claim - someone (?) says "Death to all racist rednecks, hillbillies and hicks" Who is that person? Where did they say this thing?

I was referencing actions by the government, not an individual persons words. Ever hear the old saying actions speak louder than words?

Don't confuse yourself. I am being frank and straightforward here. We are discussing things I find highly disturbing and that I absolutely don't approve of one bit. So it is very easy to just stop thinking and spout politically correct platitudes, I am resisting this and picking at that painful scab anyway.

There is a purpose too. The purpose is entirely benign. You can take that to the bank.

Speaking of which I got to go to the bank now. Be back in a few hours. Cheers.

 

[Distracted1]

There are reputable polls showing that a sizable minority of people want their states to secede though I can't find one that addresses Wyoming specifically.

http://blogs.reuters.com/jamesrgain...t-their-state-to-secede-from-the-u-s-but-why/

It's more widespread then I would expect.

Perhaps that would be the best outcome for all parties?

I could get behind an "American Friends of Idohoan/ Wyoming/ Oregonian independence" movement.

 

[Stacyhs]

Perhaps that would be the best outcome for all parties?

I could get behind an "American Friends of Idohoan/ Wyoming/ Oregonian independence" movement.

That would be eastern Oregon. West of the mountains in more liberal, especially the Portland metro area. It's why the state is reliably blue, not red.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Perhaps that would be the best outcome for all parties?

I could get behind an "American Friends of Idohoan/ Wyoming/ Oregonian independence" movement.

Part of me would say "good riddance" and hope all the other white christian identity nutcases migrated to their new, independent holy land and left the rest of us alone.

You have to realize that anyone already living in that area that don't fall into the neat social boundaries they espouse would be in tremendous danger on day 1. I wouldn't want to be a Jew on the wrong side of that border. Definitely wouldn't want to be a woman there unless you really buy into that specific type of social order.

I can't imagine a group of white christian nutcases would make good neighbors. Whining about liberals in Seattle is a way of life for these people. How long before their total inability to run a society because a reason to start aggressing onto the rest of civilized world.

 

[Trebuchet]

Perhaps that would be the best outcome for all parties?

I could get behind an "American Friends of Idohoan/ Wyoming/ Oregonian independence" movement.

Oregon doesn't fit but you could throw in Montana and both Dakotas. That'd be about 15* less electoral votes for the R's.

*I didn't bother looking to see how many votes these states have but I assume three each.

 

[varwoche]

Oregon doesn't fit but you could throw in Montana and both Dakotas. That'd be about 15* less electoral votes for the R's.

*I didn't bother looking to see how many votes these states have but I assume three each.

Dakotas = out. At least according to John Rawles who conceived The American Redoubt.

Plains and steppes are tanker country. It is no coincidence that the armies of the world usually choose plains for their maneuver areas, for large scale war games. - Rawles​

 

[varwoche]

Part of me would say "good riddance" and hope all the other white christian identity nutcases migrated to their new, independent holy land and left the rest of us alone.

Part of me would say that too. That's the part of me that isn't concerned about having maniacal neighbors who believe in second coming / end days ... possessing nukes.

 

[Distracted1]

Dakotas = out. At least according to John Rawles who conceived The American Redoubt.

Plains and steppes are tanker country. It is no coincidence that the armies of the world usually choose plains for their maneuver areas, for large scale war games. - Rawles​

It would be interesting to see Lincoln replaced with Reagan on Mt. Rushmore though.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Part of me would say that too. That's the part of me that isn't concerned about having maniacal neighbors who believe in second coming / end days ... possessing nukes.

I mean, apocalyptic fetishization and intense aggression seems to be at the root of the ideology, so you know, ya. Not really something we want to entertain.

 

[varwoche]

The investigation of Shea was delivered to the House a couple of weeks ago and has now been released to the public. Quote...

Finding #1 ... participated in an act of domestic terrorism against the United States by his actions before and during the armed takeover and standoff at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge...

Finding #2 ... engaged in intimidation tactics against a political opponent

Finding #3 ... condoned political violence and intimidation, and offered to do background checks on named persons in opposition to his political ideology

Finding #4 ... condoned intimidation by supporters of his political opposition to include activists, government officials, Muslims, and others who speak or act in opposition to his personal beliefs and political agenda

Finding #5 ... engaged in counterintelligence gathering and acted in opposition to the lawful efforts of federal, state, and local law enforcement

Finding #6 ... engaged in and supported the training of youth and young adults to fight a Holy war

Finding #7 ... wrote the Biblical Basis for War and advocated the replacement of US democracy with a theocracy and the killing of all males who do not agree.

Finding #8 ... engaged in and promoted annual Patriot Movement militia training and readiness in support of anticipated armed conflicts against federal, state and local governments and law enforcement.

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Typos are probably mine.

 

[varwoche]

And the reactions...

Immediately after the report was released, Rep. J.T. Wilcox, the Republican minority leader of the House, said Shea “has been suspended from any role in the House Republican Caucus.”

“He should resign,” Wilcox wrote on Twitter. “He cannot use House Republican staff, he cannot meet with the caucus, his office will be moved.” Shea’s name and picture were removed from the House GOP website.

Shea said he would not step down, calling the investigation a “sham.”

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Resign?
He needs to be put in Guantanamo!

 

[Distracted1]

I was reading this morning that he has already invoked the Trumpster.
Perhaps "fake news" and "witch hunt" are not far behind?

ETA, and of course, he can't forget "no collusion"

 

[Armitage72]

I mentioned this in the impeachment thread, not realizing it was the guy featured in this thread.

"Late Thursday, there was a Facebook post that appeared to be from Shea, saying in part, "Like we are seeing with our President this is a sham investigation meant to silence those of us who stand up against attempts to disarm and destroy our great country. I will not back down, I will not give in, I will not resign.""

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I mentioned this in the impeachment thread, not realizing it was the guy featured in this thread.

"Late Thursday, there was a Facebook post that appeared to be from Shea, saying in part, "Like we are seeing with our President this is a sham investigation meant to silence those of us who stand up against attempts to disarm and destroy our great country. I will not back down, I will not give in, I will not resign.""

Never give up, never surrender!