Cont: Brexit: Now What? 9 Below Zero

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GlennB said:
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"EU negotiators will offer British people the chance to individually opt-in and remain EU citizens as a proposal in Brexit negotiations, the European Parliament’s chief negotiator has confirmed.

The plan, first revealed in its early stages by The Independent last month, was being considered as a long-term aim by the European Parliament – but has now been fast-tracked to the negotiating table by Guy Verhofstadt, who is in charge of thrashing out a post-Brexit deal."

I won't provide the link as it's to The Independent, which has to be the most vile newspaper website imaginable.
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From the Metro, in March 2017 mind;

https://metro.co.uk/2017/03/29/eu-n...main-eu-citizens-negotiator-confirms-6540810/

"The European Parliament’s chief negotiator has confirmed that EU negotiators will offer British people the chance to individually opt-in and remain EU citizens. Speaking to The Independent Guy Verhofstadt said he had ‘fast-tracked’ the idea to the negotiating table – although it remains to be seen if it will be accepted as part of the final deal. Verhofstadt said that the ‘very important’ proposal had ‘captured the imagination and hopes’ of the British people. The idea of ‘associate citizenship’ of the EU was first mooted in November by Charles Goerens, a liberal MEP from Luxembourg. Although slightly vague on fine detail, His plan would guarantee rights, such as residency, to people who pay a fee."
 
Damn, yes, it's an old article. I was fooled by it being surrounded by links to current stuff. I blame the poxy Independent.
 
At least there's one good thing about Brexit: when the UK leaves it might revise the law regarding tobacco products and allow the sale of Swedish Snus. Current EU laws prohibit the sale of snus, with Sweden being the exception.
 
GlennB said:
Damn, yes, it's an old article. I was fooled by it being surrounded by links to current stuff. I blame the poxy Independent.
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It is still an excellent idea, joint UK and EU nationality for individuals, so that those people have freedom of movement etc around the EU to travel, work and live.
 
Something I hope comes of leaving the EU will be more trade with Australia. I've always found it odd how little produce we buy from them, despite the fact that much of it (for e.g. preserves/jams, tinned fruit) is some of the best you'll ever find, and for which their should be no logistical/economic problems with shipping, despite the distance. I believe they could quite easily compete with the (expensive) continental brands that dominate in the UK.
 
The Don said:
President Trump will insist on a "no-deal" Brexit as a prerequisite for a UK/US trade deal. Even though the EU is far more important to the UK from a trade perspective, the "project" requires a complete split from Europe.
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However the US Congress may disagree.
 
IsThisTheLife said:
Something I hope comes of leaving the EU will be more trade with Australia. I've always found it odd how little produce we buy from them, despite the fact that much of it (for e.g. preserves/jams, tinned fruit) is some of the best you'll ever find, and for which their should be no logistical/economic problems with shipping, despite the distance. I believe they could quite easily compete with the (expensive) continental brands that dominate in the UK.
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I'm not sure that, lovely as Australia is, a country 10,000 miles away with a population of 25-million is going to replace a market with a population of 450-million (excluding the UK) and sharing a land border with the UK.
 
jimbob said:
I'm not sure that, lovely as Australia is, a country 10,000 miles away with a population of 25-million is going to replace a market with a population of 450-million (excluding the UK) and sharing a land border with the UK.
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I didn't say anything about "replacing" European suppliers - the fact is that, as far as I'm aware, literally the only Australian produce to be found in a UK supermarket is Vegemite (and wine, of course). I'm guessing that the Australians export surpluses to closer territories, and believe me, when they have a surpluses they can be enormous, and often of quite high-value crops likes pistachios and kalamata olives (both of which I've found to be among the best I've tried anywhere). They're a huge exporter of wine to the UK, why nothing else?

ETA >> Oh, and the apricot jam (my favourite) over there ...
 
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IsThisTheLife said:
I didn't say anything about "replacing" European suppliers - the fact is that, as far as I'm aware, literally the only Australian produce to be found in a UK supermarket is Vegemite (and wine, of course). I'm guessing that the Australians export surpluses to closer territories, and believe me, when they have a surpluses they can be enormous, and often of quite high-value crops likes pistachios and kalamata olives (both of which I've found to be among the best I've tried anywhere). They're a huge exporter of wine to the UK, why nothing else?

ETA >> Oh, and the apricot jam (my favourite) over there ...
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Plenty of Australian wine in the supermarkets.

We already have sources of olives and pistachios. Supermarkets have multi year supply contracts. A short term surplus isn't going to make them switch.
 
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IsThisTheLife said:
I didn't say anything about "replacing" European suppliers - the fact is that, as far as I'm aware, literally the only Australian produce to be found in a UK supermarket is Vegemite (and wine, of course). I'm guessing that the Australians export surpluses to closer territories, and believe me, when they have a surpluses they can be enormous, and often of quite high-value crops likes pistachios and kalamata olives (both of which I've found to be among the best I've tried anywhere). They're a huge exporter of wine to the UK, why nothing else?

ETA >> Oh, and the apricot jam (my favourite) over there ...
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Not just more pistachios and olives than we need but more than more than we need!?! Wow! Brexit looks rosy already! Oh, and apricot jam as well.

That certainly makes up for losing zero tariffs on businesses trading with the EU, freedom of travel and opportunities for work. Instead British people can pay even more for the apparently overpriced European goods and speed up climate change getting apricot jam shipped over from Australia!

Glad I don’t live in the UK anymore. I have no interest in apricot jam.
 
angrysoba said:
Not just more pistachios and olives than we need but more than more than we need!?! Wow! Brexit looks rosy already! Oh, and apricot jam as well.

That certainly makes up for losing zero tariffs on businesses trading with the EU, freedom of travel and opportunities for work. Instead British people can pay even more for the apparently overpriced European goods and speed up climate change getting apricot jam shipped over from Australia!

Glad I don’t live in the UK anymore. I have no interest in apricot jam.
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Following Brexit, the little-Englanders are going to get a heck of a shock when they go on their first "booze cruise" to France to find out that instead of an entire car full of wine and beer, they can only bring back 4 litres of wine, 16 litres of beer and a couple of bottles of spirits.
 
The Don said:
Following Brexit, the little-Englanders are going to get a heck of a shock when they go on their first "booze cruise" to France to find out that instead of an entire car full of wine and beer, they can only bring back 4 litres of wine, 16 litres of beer and a couple of bottles of spirits.
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The asylum seekers camps in France and Belgium will likely be transferred to England as well. Now there's a lovely surprise for the Dover Brexiteers!
 
The Don said:
Following Brexit, the little-Englanders are going to get a heck of a shock when they go on their first "booze cruise" to France to find out that instead of an entire car full of wine and beer, they can only bring back 4 litres of wine, 16 litres of beer and a couple of bottles of spirits.
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As a wine seller that would be the one small ray of light for me, except that I'm expecting most of my customer's discretionary spending to be further restricted. That and I have this nagging feeling that Johnson will find some way of ensuring that you can bring back a RangeRover full of French wine, otherwise it will annoy his base.
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
Lets see what deal he pushes through though.

After all, he no longer has to listen to the DUP so he can choose whether to violate the good friday accords or to put a customs check between NI and the rest of the UK.
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No deal is the clear answer for what deal. Crashing out is on!
 
ponderingturtle said:
No deal is the clear answer for what deal. Crashing out is on!
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Although, as has been pointed out by others. No deal would be just the start of a years (decades ?) long process to agree a post-Brexit set of deals across a variety of subjects, including trade.
 
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