Cont: Brexit: Now What? 9 Below Zero

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Lets see what deal he pushes through though.

After all, he no longer has to listen to the DUP so he can choose whether to violate the good friday accords or to put a customs check between NI and the rest of the UK.

 

[The Don]

Lets see what deal he pushes through though.

After all, he no longer has to listen to the DUP so he can choose whether to violate the good friday accords or to put a customs check between NI and the rest of the UK.

President Trump will insist on a "no-deal" Brexit as a prerequisite for a UK/US trade deal. Even though the EU is far more important to the UK from a trade perspective, the "project" requires a complete split from Europe.

 

[Darat]

Lets see what deal he pushes through though.

After all, he no longer has to listen to the DUP so he can choose whether to violate the good friday accords or to put a customs check between NI and the rest of the UK.

We know it is the bill he got through last time. So we know there will be the custom checks, Johnson simply lied when he said there wouldn't be.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

President Trump will insist on a "no-deal" Brexit as a prerequisite for a UK/US trade deal. Even though the EU is far more important to the UK from a trade perspective, the "project" requires a complete split from Europe.

But does Johnson care for that? He wanted to be PM with full power. He has that now, so he no longer has to keep his promises.

 

[The Don]

But does Johnson care for that? He wanted to be PM with full power. He has that now, so he no longer has to keep his promises.

Now he has full power, he can put the "project" into full effect.

 

[psionl0]

I guess that's the end of this thread, then.

This will make an interesting test case. We have been conditioned to believe that if there isn't open slather on international trade then the result will be an apocalypse.

Boris now has the mandate to test this theory.

 

[Mojo]

President Trump will insist on a "no-deal" Brexit as a prerequisite for a UK/US trade deal. Even though the EU is far more important to the UK from a trade perspective, the "project" requires a complete split from Europe.

The Donald commenting on Boris’s election victory:

He’s a friend of mine, it’s going to be a great thing for the United States also, because it means a lot of trade, tremendous amount of trade, they want to do business with us so badly.

[Source: BBC Breakfast, 14/12/19, 08:32.]

 

[Vixen]

President Trump will insist on a "no-deal" Brexit as a prerequisite for a UK/US trade deal. Even though the EU is far more important to the UK from a trade perspective, the "project" requires a complete split from Europe.

But how long will Trump be there?

 

[Vixen]

Lets see what deal he pushes through though.

After all, he no longer has to listen to the DUP so he can choose whether to violate the good friday accords or to put a customs check between NI and the rest of the UK.

I was rather sad to see 'hang-dog'-faced Nigel Dodds go. He was quite erudite speaking in the Commons, unlike the ravers and ranters (one thing I can't stand).

At least we know why Sinn Fein have been celebrating. One step closer.

 

[Andy_Ross]

The Donald commenting on Boris’s election victory:
[Source: BBC Breakfast, 14/12/19, 08:32.]

He also said that trade with the US will be more profitable and bigger than any trade with the EU.

 

[JoeMorgue]

So when is the next "Okay 3rd mulligan, we're going to ask you yet again DO YOU WANT BREXIT and we mean it this time" vote/election/referendum going to happen and what's the plan when that one comes back "Yes" as well?

Brexit is one of the dumbest things that has happened in modern politics but the "Okay the original non-binding resolution was just a fluke that didn't count" thing has officially been killed by this point.

 

[Darat]

So when is the next "Okay 3rd mulligan, we're going to ask you yet again DO YOU WANT BREXIT and we mean it this time" vote/election/referendum going to happen and what's the plan when that one comes back "Yes" as well?

Brexit is one of the dumbest things that has happened in modern politics but the "Okay the original non-binding resolution was just a fluke that didn't count" thing has officially been killed by this point.

There won't be anything else.

Now that the likes of Johnson and Mogg are no longer stopping us leaving the EU we will be leaving on 31/1/2020.

 

[angrysoba]

So when is the next "Okay 3rd mulligan, we're going to ask you yet again DO YOU WANT BREXIT and we mean it this time" vote/election/referendum going to happen and what's the plan when that one comes back "Yes" as well?

Brexit is one of the dumbest things that has happened in modern politics but the "Okay the original non-binding resolution was just a fluke that didn't count" thing has officially been killed by this point.

Brexit is a formality now. But that doesn't mean it won't be a continuing story.

 

[GlennB]

So when is the next "Okay 3rd mulligan, we're going to ask you yet again DO YOU WANT BREXIT and we mean it this time" vote/election/referendum going to happen and what's the plan when that one comes back "Yes" as well?

Brexit is one of the dumbest things that has happened in modern politics but the "Okay the original non-binding resolution was just a fluke that didn't count" thing has officially been killed by this point.

The bill Johnson pulled because MPs wanted more than 30 seconds to debate it will go through unamended. We enter the transition period at the end of January.

This is especially interesting () in this house, as our Greek NHS booklets have to be renewed in February. There's a fair chance that some bureaucrat will decide that the UK 'has left the EU, so no renewal for them'.

 

[Nessie]

We are leaving, so next is to see what sort of deal and other arrangements we will have with the EU.

My main issue is, planned holiday to Germany next year, what will we need to do re passports and a visa, or will we need to do anything? Also, what queue will we need to join when we get to the airport?

 

[Darat]

We are leaving, so next is to see what sort of deal and other arrangements we will have with the EU.

My main issue is, planned holiday to Germany next year, what will we need to do re passports and a visa, or will we need to do anything? Also, what queue will we need to join when we get to the airport?

We leave the EU so "non EU citizens" unless you have dual nationality with an EU country.

 

[Darat]

The bill Johnson pulled because MPs wanted more than 30 seconds to debate it will go through unamended. We enter the transition period at the end of January.



This is especially interesting () in this house, as our Greek NHS booklets have to be renewed in February. There's a fair chance that some bureaucrat will decide that the UK 'has left the EU, so no renewal for them'.

We will have left. Midnight 31/1/20 and we are no longer in the EU. We have a transition deal that will help mitigate some things.

Not sure what your exact circumstances are but in the transition deal May and Johnson agreed the only terms that I think will cover you is that UK pensioners already living in the EU can continue to use the S1 and EHIC.

Does that help you?

 

[GlennB]

We will have left. Midnight 31/1/20 and we are no longer in the EU. We have a transition deal that will help mitigate some things.

Not sure what your exact circumstances are but in the transition deal May and Johnson agreed the only terms that I think will cover you is that UK pensioners already living in the EU can continue to use the S1 and EHIC.

Does that help you?

On paper our S1 would be valid to the end of 2020, meaning we'd have the right to access the NHS here. On paper. And I've read analyses that suggest that the S1 system is already guaranteed to last longer. But then Theresa May assured Brit expats that they could always return to the UK for treatment if they lost EU healthcare, so the waters are very muddy indeed.

But if we renew in Feb for the Mar 2020 to Feb 2021 period then it might be thought that this can't be allowed as it goes beyond the transition period. Plus, Greek bureaucrats sometimes are as awkward as they can manage. If Greeks in the UK start to encounter problems there could easily be unofficial 'reprisals' towards Brits here.

Want to buy a house? Bargain price!

 

[GlennB]

Meanwhile:

"EU negotiators will offer British people the chance to individually opt-in and remain EU citizens as a proposal in Brexit negotiations, the European Parliament’s chief negotiator has confirmed.

The plan, first revealed in its early stages by The Independent last month, was being considered as a long-term aim by the European Parliament – but has now been fast-tracked to the negotiating table by Guy Verhofstadt, who is in charge of thrashing out a post-Brexit deal."

I won't provide the link as it's to The Independent, which has to be the most vile newspaper website imaginable.

 

[Nessie]

We leave the EU so "non EU citizens" unless you have dual nationality with an EU country.

I am hoping that we can have some sort of arrangement whereby we have the same type of passport and we have remained in the likes of the customs union, we can still use those lanes.

I suspect not.