Did Epstein run a World Satanic Ring?

Vixen said:
Why would they see the bigger picture?

For example, say you work on the tills in Walmart. You wouldn't know what goes on in the board room or at the AGM.
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I should think most people old enough to comprehend sex in general would be able to tell if they were being sexually assaulted or being sexually assaulted as part of some satanic ritual.
 
Vixen said:
Unlike you, I respect other people's religions
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I mock all religions. They are pointless superstitions. None of them deserve any respect from anyone.

Vixen said:
and do not mock them for their beliefs.
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I mock the religions, not the people.
Vixen said:
Superstition? Maybe. Animism? Perhaps. Idol worship? It may seem that way for some.
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BS? Absolutely.

Vixen said:
However, the fact is they do exist whether or not you consider them effective.
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Sure, they exist. And all of them are useless.
 
Vixen said:
Sorry? Are you claiming people who fall into this category are corrupt and exempt from the law and the constitution?
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You get easily confused by simple sentences.

Vixen said:
Not at all. Sure I'm from a bourgeois family where everyone is routinely a member of the state church* but it doesn't have any bearing at all on the thread subject.

*Most of the people are probably agnostic anyway.
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Fascinating. That's neither a denial or a confirmation.

Try again.
 
Vixen said:
Why would they see the bigger picture?

For example, say you work on the tills in Walmart. You wouldn't know what goes on in the board room or at the AGM.
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I'm interpreting that as an evasive way to say "no, the victims did not report any satanic ritual aspect to their abuse". Please let me know if the victims claimed otherwise.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
I'm interpreting that as an evasive way to say "no, the victims did not report any satanic ritual aspect to their abuse". Please let me know if the victims claimed otherwise.
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The only witness statements to have been made public is the one Guiffre (Virginia) deposited in her writ against Maxwell, Ghislaine, which was to do with Maxwell having called her a liar; then there was Giuffre's interview with various tv channels, including the BBC, wherein she spoke only of her own experience but did confess on Australian tv to having recruited young adults for Epstein, as did Chauntae (sp?) Davies, who said she recruited her friends, who were in the 15-16 age group. Both said the numbers were about fifty (each).

There are all together nine 'survivors' who are pursuing damages against Epstein. About four of them (Virginia, Chantau, Sarah Ransome and the blond 15 year-old [at the time] who spoke out on tv anonymously) have provided statements of their own experiences and relevant to sexual abuse and slavery. There is another alleged victim named 'Rachel Johnson' who claims she was raped by Trump an then by an angry Epstein who had wanted to take her virginity, which I am hoping is fake news fantasy.

In effect, there are up to a hundred more who haven't come forward (that we know of) or even still alive. Both Virginia and Chantae said Epstein homed in on them - like the predator he was - because one was a runaway from sexual abuse and the other lived in a trailer park. IOW he was preying on girls whom he thought nobody would report missing or even care.

They wouldn't know about the Epstein-Maxwell-Wexner mission statement just as the drug dealer on the street corner has no idea who the brains behind importing the drugs into the country are.
 
Vixen said:
The only witness statements to have been made public is the one Guiffre (Virginia) deposited in her writ against Maxwell, Ghislaine, which was to do with Maxwell having called her a liar; then there was Giuffre's interview with various tv channels, including the BBC, wherein she spoke only of her own experience but did confess on Australian tv to having recruited young adults for Epstein, as did Chauntae (sp?) Davies, who said she recruited her friends, who were in the 15-16 age group. Both said the numbers were about fifty (each).

There are all together nine 'survivors' who are pursuing damages against Epstein. About four of them (Virginia, Chantau, Sarah Ransome and the blond 15 year-old [at the time] who spoke out on tv anonymously) have provided statements of their own experiences and relevant to sexual abuse and slavery. There is another alleged victim named 'Rachel Johnson' who claims she was raped by Trump an then by an angry Epstein who had wanted to take her virginity, which I am hoping is fake news fantasy.

In effect, there are up to a hundred more who haven't come forward (that we know of) or even still alive. Both Virginia and Chantae said Epstein homed in on them - like the predator he was - because one was a runaway from sexual abuse and the other lived in a trailer park. IOW he was preying on girls whom he thought nobody would report missing or even care.

They wouldn't know about the Epstein-Maxwell-Wexner mission statement just as the drug dealer on the street corner has no idea who the brains behind importing the drugs into the country are.
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The implications of this mountain of non-evidence are staggering. Any of those hundred or more victims of trafficking and sexual assault might have seen Bigfoot, and we wouldn't know about it!
 
Vixen said:
He probably wasn't but was savvy enough to set up a 'brotherhood' (term used loosely) using occult themes and principles.

I take it your explanation as to why Epstein and perhaps Jimmy Saville never faced justice (apart from the lenient 13-month 'house' style sentence for Epstein) is because he was a rich powerful guy. Okaaaay.
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Folks familiar with how the criminal justice system works in the real world know that supernatural entities aren't needed to explain why and how cases and prosecutions go wrong.

In case you missed it I explained it earlier in this thread:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12921457&postcount=499

Man murdered a man, nights and weekends in county jail. Man kills a dog, three years in state prison. Do you believe there was a debil involved these cases?
 
So where are we at with the Satanism evidence again?

There was a piece of crucifixion artwork hung on one wall. There is a cheap painted up box that looks like temple-ish (my money says a mechanical room covering). An outside chessboard. Some small landscape statuary. A sundial. A small patio chair made with horn-looking materials. Not a single witness or report of occult activity.

I am hesitant to assign a numerical value to this preponderance of evidence, but 'goose egg' springs to mind.
 
BStrong said:
Folks familiar with how the criminal justice system works in the real world know that supernatural entities aren't needed to explain why and how cases and prosecutions go wrong.

In case you missed it I explained it earlier in this thread:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12921457&postcount=499

Man murdered a man, nights and weekends in county jail. Man kills a dog, three years in state prison. Do you believe there was a debil involved these cases?
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I am not sure you and I are talking about the same thing.
 
Thermal said:
So where are we at with the Satanism evidence again?

There was a piece of crucifixion artwork hung on one wall. There is a cheap painted up box that looks like temple-ish (my money says a mechanical room covering). An outside chessboard. Some small landscape statuary. A sundial. A small patio chair made with horn-looking materials. Not a single witness or report of occult activity.

I am hesitant to assign a numerical value to this preponderance of evidence, but 'goose egg' springs to mind.
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Don't forget the altar stone, the cockatoo-looking statues, Posiedon and the Plato facsimile of Atlantis, the numerous gargoyles, the secret underground 1,000 sq ft chamber.
 
Vixen said:
Don't forget the altar stone, the cockatoo-looking statues, Posiedon and the Plato facsimile of Atlantis, the numerous gargoyles, the secret underground 1,000 sq ft chamber.
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Yeah, about all that...

Landscape decor is not really indicative of satanism. It's just stuff the designer orders from their supplier. It tends to be masonry to withstand the elements, and look like people's idea of outside statuary. Roman stuff and animals and gargoyles and all. It would look a little silly if the exterior statuary looked like, say, a kitchen or bathroom. Out in the landscape.

That, uh, underground secret nightclub, where I believe you said staff could not go...how we doing on that, evidence-wise? Something satanic about a private nightclub thingy on a private island?

The guy was a sicko. But it is a world wide satanism ring you have proposed here. Cockatoo looking decorations do not exactly prove that.
 
Thermal said:
Yeah, about all that...

Landscape decor is not really indicative of satanism. It's just stuff the designer orders from their supplier. It tends to be masonry to withstand the elements, and look like people's idea of outside statuary. Roman stuff and animals and gargoyles and all. It would look a little silly if the exterior statuary looked like, say, a kitchen or bathroom. Out in the landscape.

That, uh, underground secret nightclub, where I believe you said staff could not go...how we doing on that, evidence-wise? Something satanic about a private nightclub thingy on a private island?

The guy was a sicko. But it is a world wide satanism ring you have proposed here. Cockatoo looking decorations do not exactly prove that.
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Put it this way: under what other context/pretext would 'good family men' representing the stolid upright citizen and even (for Princes Charles and Andrew) 'defenders of the [Christian protestant] faith, their county, government, impeccable denizens of the highest law courts, etc., get together regularly to have sex (and reports of orgies) with teenagers barely out of childhood.

Being 'rich' doesn't explain it.
 
Them wanting to do so explains it.
Satanism is no more needed to explain this than it is to explain Thai sex tourism, or alcohol abuse.
 
Vixen said:
LOL Are you too scared to say the word in case he appears?
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Project all you'd like, but superstition and fairy tales don't control my life or my actions.

I spell it "debil" in posts because I treaT this nonsense with all the respect that it deserves.

To entertain your delusion - DEVIL DEVIL DEVIL! he must be attending to other matters because the devil didn't appear.

So much for your hand waving about fantasy (yours) v. reality (mine)
 
Vixen said:
Put it this way: under what other context/pretext would 'good family men'
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The context in which 'good family men' are quite often a facade behind which lives and breathes a douchebag.

representing the stolid upright citizen
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The context in which representing 'the stolid upright citizen'* has sod all to do with the morals and ethics of the representative. Have you never noticed how many of representatives of the good citizenry are corrupt douchebags who actively hate and harm the citizenry they represent?

and even (for Princes Charles and Andrew) 'defenders of the [Christian protestant] faith,
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This is a ceremonial title, not a literal endorsement of their belief or character.

their county, government,
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Have you never noticed how many such 'defenders' fall miserably short of the ideals of their position?

impeccable denizens of the highest law courts,
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This isn't actually a thing.

get together regularly to have sex (and reports of orgies) with teenagers barely out of childhood.
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The context in which they have the power and resources to protect themselves from scrutiny while they do the same things many others would also do if they were suitably protected from scrutiny.

Being 'rich' doesn't explain it.
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Being rich and powerful explains it perfectly.

Stop multiplying entities unnecessarily.

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*A rhetorical fantasy of your own devising, in an attempt to rehabilitate a bankrupt argument.
 
Vixen said:
Put it this way: under what other context/pretext would 'good family men' representing the stolid upright citizen and even (for Princes Charles and Andrew) 'defenders of the [Christian protestant] faith, their county, government, impeccable denizens of the highest law courts, etc., get together regularly to have sex (and reports of orgies) with teenagers barely out of childhood.

Being 'rich' doesn't explain it.
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Do you have evidence, or even "reports", of Prince Charles and Prince Andrew getting together regularly to have sex or orgies with underage teenagers?

I find myself tending to the suspicion that you do not.
 
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