Did Epstein run a World Satanic Ring?

abaddon said:
Course not. That is yet another random superstition that the religious right seeks to impose. Still, it remains a bizarre superstition. Why vixen et al seeks to enshrine superstition into law is anyone's guess. By that metric, Allah is real. And Buddha. And Vishnu. And...<insert random deity here>.

The whole notion is bizarre on it's face.
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The problem stems from an ad-hock interpretation of what Satan is within the context of a very narrow off-shoot of Christianity (usually preached from tents like a circus). Mainstream theology presents Satan or the Devil as an agent of God whose job is to tempt mankind into breaking the 10 Commandments. Satan is essentially God's quality control guy. The Devil doesn't get a lot of space in either book of the Bible, the reason for this is that ALL of the evil acts depicted in those Testaments are the work of men, not supernatural beings. And that was the whole point of putting those stories in the Bible, to show that people have an active choice in how they behave and treat others, and this fact is what made Judaeo Christian philosophy so radical, no karma, no predestination, your life is up to you.

What we're getting here sounds a lot like Jehovah's Witnesses preach in their Guide Post literature where everything is the work of Satan (Islam, Judaism, Free Masons, etc). The problem is that due to the lack of a structured portrait of Satan in the Bible those who advance the crap we've been subjected to in this and other Satanic Panic threads has been drawn from the Apocrypha's, Dante's Inferno and Milton's Paradise Lost. None of these are "official" or sacred texts. Milton's Lucifer, the fallen angel now hell-bent on destroying God's children is not in the Bible, it's glorified fan fiction as is the depiction of the different rings of Hell Dante wrote about.

The subtext of the OP is that Epstein only achieved his wealth through favors granted by Satan, and networked via a mysterious international Devil-Worship ping cabal. The problem with this is that it is in direct contradiction with what the Bible DOES say about Satan, who under the rules cannot give anything to anybody because that is God's department.

If the Biblical version of Satan was at work in our little story it was just him whispering, "Hey Jeff, that sixteen year-old looks hot. You should hit that." That's it. And the same thing would be repeated with those who indulged in underage flesh at Epstein's parties and private estates. The biblical argument here is that Satan was just doing his job, and I'd argue Satan was shooting fish in a barrel with these people. At least in the Virgin Islands he could work on his tan.:D

But the documented facts are revolting and infuriating enough to me that there is no need for a supernatural cabal to be excreted into this story.
 
Vixen said:
Therefore - whether fictitious or factual - there are those who will do the opposite. Joining occult organisations means they are suddenly free from the restrictions or marriage, being faithful and not having casual or perverted sex. So don't try to make out occult practitioners don't exist.
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One doesn't need to join cults that worship ancient and forgotten gods to dispense with being faithful and enjoying casual, perverted sex.

Also, once again, the existence of people who believe in occultism is not itself proof that Epstein himself wan an occultist. it's the equivalent of the conspiratard pushing a government conspiracy theory saying, "You think things like this doesn't happen?!! Look um MKULTRA!"

Yes, sometimes governments engage in conspiracies. That is not evidence for your government conspiracy theory. Just like some people believing in occultism isn't itself proof that Epstein was involved in occultism.
 
Mycroft said:
One doesn't need to join cults that worship ancient and forgotten gods to dispense with being faithful and enjoying casual, perverted sex.
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I guess Vixen's a Christian of some denomination who really thinks you can't be moral without god, and can't be immoral with god.
 
Vixen said:
For the sceptics cynics, have a look at this video which explains how Ba'al is happening in plain sight. Caveat: the guy is a pastor.



Skip straight to: 30:59 (Gotthard tunnel), 35:23 (Arkansas Capitol, 40:17 (Deep state) and 47:30 (Deeper state).

Then tell me this is not happening.
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Sorry sweety, @30:30 but Pan is half man, half goat, not the devil.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture...oat-statue-arrives-in-the-British-Museum.html

You can thank all those Renaissance artists and their lack of imaginations for stealing ancient depictions of Pan and turning him into the devil instead of coming up with their own material.
 
Vixen said:
For the sceptics cynics, have a look at this video which explains how Ba'al is happening in plain sight. Caveat: the guy is a pastor.



Skip straight to: 30:59 (Gotthard tunnel), 35:23 (Arkansas Capitol, 40:17 (Deep state) and 47:30 (Deeper state).

Then tell me this is not happening.
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Have you actually watched that video? Because it is the funniest kettle of crazy that I have seen in quite some time.
 
Craig4 said:
But almost all of those victims have come forward and talked since. Did they mention satanic rituals. I notice you ignored the second part of my question. What about the victims who spoke in court after Epstein killed himself? Did they mention and satanic rituals. At least one, Prince Andrew's accuser seemed to note rather a lot of detail. Did she mention satanic rituals?
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Why would they see the bigger picture?

For example, say you work on the tills in Walmart. You wouldn't know what goes on in the board room or at the AGM.
 
abaddon said:
Course not. That is yet another random superstition that the religious right seeks to impose. Still, it remains a bizarre superstition. Why vixen et al seeks to enshrine superstition into law is anyone's guess. By that metric, Allah is real. And Buddha. And Vishnu. And...<insert random deity here>.

The whole notion is bizarre on it's face.
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Unlike you, I respect other people's religions and do not mock them for their beliefs. Superstition? Maybe. Animism? Perhaps. Idol worship? It may seem that way for some.

However, the fact is they do exist whether or not you consider them effective.
 
Axxman300 said:
The problem stems from an ad-hock interpretation of what Satan is within the context of a very narrow off-shoot of Christianity (usually preached from tents like a circus). Mainstream theology presents Satan or the Devil as an agent of God whose job is to tempt mankind into breaking the 10 Commandments. Satan is essentially God's quality control guy. The Devil doesn't get a lot of space in either book of the Bible, the reason for this is that ALL of the evil acts depicted in those Testaments are the work of men, not supernatural beings. And that was the whole point of putting those stories in the Bible, to show that people have an active choice in how they behave and treat others, and this fact is what made Judaeo Christian philosophy so radical, no karma, no predestination, your life is up to you.

What we're getting here sounds a lot like Jehovah's Witnesses preach in their Guide Post literature where everything is the work of Satan (Islam, Judaism, Free Masons, etc). The problem is that due to the lack of a structured portrait of Satan in the Bible those who advance the crap we've been subjected to in this and other Satanic Panic threads has been drawn from the Apocrypha's, Dante's Inferno and Milton's Paradise Lost. None of these are "official" or sacred texts. Milton's Lucifer, the fallen angel now hell-bent on destroying God's children is not in the Bible, it's glorified fan fiction as is the depiction of the different rings of Hell Dante wrote about.

The subtext of the OP is that Epstein only achieved his wealth through favors granted by Satan, and networked via a mysterious international Devil-Worship ping cabal. The problem with this is that it is in direct contradiction with what the Bible DOES say about Satan, who under the rules cannot give anything to anybody because that is God's department.

If the Biblical version of Satan was at work in our little story it was just him whispering, "Hey Jeff, that sixteen year-old looks hot. You should hit that." That's it. And the same thing would be repeated with those who indulged in underage flesh at Epstein's parties and private estates. The biblical argument here is that Satan was just doing his job, and I'd argue Satan was shooting fish in a barrel with these people. At least in the Virgin Islands he could work on his tan.:D

But the documented facts are revolting and infuriating enough to me that there is no need for a supernatural cabal to be excreted into this story.
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No, that is not the subtext at all. Epstein was Jewish but I wouldn't be surprised he was atheist even if he did observe family Judaic traditions. I doubt he believed in Ba'al or any of the ancient Egyptian gods so beloved of the occult sects. However, it was a good instrument to bring the pervy powerful men of the world together, by offering 'Eyes Wide Shut' style wild orgiastic parties with no questions asked and immunity from prosecution or restrictions.
 
Mycroft said:
One doesn't need to join cults that worship ancient and forgotten gods to dispense with being faithful and enjoying casual, perverted sex.

Also, once again, the existence of people who believe in occultism is not itself proof that Epstein himself wan an occultist. it's the equivalent of the conspiratard pushing a government conspiracy theory saying, "You think things like this doesn't happen?!! Look um MKULTRA!"

Yes, sometimes governments engage in conspiracies. That is not evidence for your government conspiracy theory. Just like some people believing in occultism isn't itself proof that Epstein was involved in occultism.
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He probably wasn't but was savvy enough to set up a 'brotherhood' (term used loosely) using occult themes and principles.

I take it your explanation as to why Epstein and perhaps Jimmy Saville never faced justice (apart from the lenient 13-month 'house' style sentence for Epstein) is because he was a rich powerful guy. Okaaaay.
 
Belz... said:
I guess Vixen's a Christian of some denomination who really thinks you can't be moral without god, and can't be immoral with god.
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Not at all. Sure I'm from a bourgeois family where everyone is routinely a member of the state church* but it doesn't have any bearing at all on the thread subject.

*Most of the people are probably agnostic anyway.
 
Craig4 said:
But almost all of those victims have come forward and talked since. Did they mention satanic rituals. I notice you ignored the second part of my question. What about the victims who spoke in court after Epstein killed himself? Did they mention and satanic rituals. At least one, Prince Andrew's accuser seemed to note rather a lot of detail. Did she mention satanic rituals?
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Vixen said:
Why would they see the bigger picture?

For example, say you work on the tills in Walmart. You wouldn't know what goes on in the board room or at the AGM.
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Vixen, get a grip.
You are now saying that the girls involved in these ritualistic Satanic orgies would not have noticed the ritualistic, Satanic aspects of these ritualistic, Satanic orgies.
Ridiculous.
 
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