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UK - December 2019 General Election

Oh dear.

On the Question Time debate, Jo Swinson has just invoked the story of a child in London whose death was linked to air pollution at her inquest.

A child whose mother is standing as a Green Party candidate in this election.

Whoops!
 
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He acknowledged concerns about what he called Labour’s “comprehensive” manifesto, which some candidates have complained is so packed with consumer giveaways that many voters are baffled.

“As the manifesto was being put together, I was one who was always cautious about an overlong manifesto,” he said. But he pointed to the “enthusiasm of people to write it” and the need to set out Labour’s policies in detail on issues including the environment. “I think it’s right to do that,” he added.

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He refused to engage with questions about whether he would step down on Friday if Labour fails to deprive Johnson of a majority. “We’re intending to win on Thursday, so the question doesn’t arise,” he said.

Many party insiders are openly speculating about who could succeed Corbyn. Several potential leftwing successors, including Rebecca Long-Bailey, Angela Rayner and Laura Pidcock, have taken prominent roles in the campaign.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...rbyn-labour-strategy-general-election-endgame

Will British voters be convinced that Socialism is the future because it means free-broadband for the people? Free 1000mb fiber broadband to every single hamlet, but the people won't be able to afford computers to use it....

It's like the liberal utopia where there are no taxes, but most people don't have any money...
 
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You really hate a lot of your fellow citizens don’t you?


Sort of like the contempt that the Party members have for The Proles in "1984'. No one hates commonors like a militant on the left when the people don't follow the party line.
 
Explain again why the Labor MP agreed to a General Election.....
The SNP and lib Dems had already jumped in to bed with the Tories so there were enough votes. Labour had a choice. Vote against and lose or go along with it.

The real question is why did the SNP and Lib Dems vote for an election.

The Lib Dems are idiots who believed that no deal was off the table, when it clearly isn't. They also mistakenly thought that they had a better campaign in them than they did.
The SNP are just a selfish version of the Brexit Party. The Brexit party don't care how poor the people of the country become and how much the country suffers as long as Brits are making all the decisions. The SNP are the same except they don't care what devastation occurs as long as the SNP get to make all the decisions. Brexit for them is a means to that end. While they publicly argue against it they were happy to facilitate a change in government that would be more likely to deliver it.
 
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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...rbyn-labour-strategy-general-election-endgame

Will British voters be convinced that Socialism is the future because it means free-broadband for the people? Free 1000mb fiber broadband to every single hamlet, but the people won't be able to afford computers to use it....

It's like the liberal utopia where there are no taxes, but most people don't have any money...

Nonsense. Everybody in Finland, for example, has the right to broadband coverage (although you have to pay the providers for the wifi box and tv channels, and this would still be the case in the UK) in a country twice the size of England and Wales combined (therefore, lots of very remote places full of dense forests and lakes) so there really is no argument against it.

The price of computers and other electronics are coming down all the time. I can remember when my sibling first went to uni the cost of a calculator (which was built like a brick) was >£100 now they are less than a fiver.
 
Louise Minchin on BBC Breakfast taking Corbyn to task about the "betrayal" of Brexit-voting Labour supporters. I wonder if Johnson, when he was being interviewed on the programme, was asked about "betraying" Remain-voting Tory supporters...?
 
Meanwhike, Johnson's car crash interview is distracted from by Kuensburg & Paxton tweeting a fake story (Punchgate), sure they retracted it later but the distraction is done. If this fake story did come from a Tory Party source that too should be news.
 
Meanwhike, Johnson's car crash interview is distracted from by Kuensburg & Paxton tweeting a fake story (Punchgate), sure they retracted it later but the distraction is done. If this fake story did come from a Tory Party source that too should be news.

The current Conservative Party have learned at the feet of the masters, the Trump GOP :mad:


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And here is a link to the story:

https://www.indy100.com/article/lau...ed-matt-hancock-aide-labour-protester-9240166

This entire situation and the reporting on the story from the journalist has created widespread anger, leading to the hashtag #punchgate trending on Twitter.

Many , including other journalists and politicians, have lashed out at Kuennsberg, in particular, for her tweets, accusing the BBC of concocting a 'fake news story' in order to shame the Labour activists.
 
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The current Conservative Party have learned at the feet of the masters, the Trump GOP :mad:


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And here is a link to the story:

https://www.indy100.com/article/lau...ed-matt-hancock-aide-labour-protester-9240166

Aside from the outright lie issuing from one, possibly two senior Conserative sources, I do wonder if, had it been true and the parties reversed would the chief political editors of ITN and the BBC have tweeted about it? If a politician was punched or did the punching, definitely, but a spad and an activist in the car park after the MP has left? Local news at best, surely.
 
According to the tabloids Labour had being paying activists to take taxis to Leeds infirmary to heckle Hancock.

I could only see one guy in the picture and he didn't look like someone who'd waste money on taxis.
 
Nonsense. Everybody in Finland, for example, has the right to broadband coverage (although you have to pay the providers for the wifi box and tv channels, and this would still be the case in the UK) in a country twice the size of England and Wales combined (therefore, lots of very remote places full of dense forests and lakes) so there really is no argument against it.

Yes I'm sure Pekka has 1000mbit connection to his summer house in the middle of nowhere, for free even. If Finland can get fiber to every hovel, then surely the UK can.
 
And let's not forget that it's basically a basic necessity to have "full-fibre broadband" connection today, really no different from having access to running water. According to Labour, British pupils apparently can't even do their homework because their crappy ADSL is just too slow.
 
And let's not forget that it's basically a basic necessity to have "full-fibre broadband" connection today, really no different from having access to running water. According to Labour, British pupils apparently can't even do their homework because their crappy ADSL is just too slow.
The cruel irony is that our new and improved "universal benefit" that is meant to enfold all welfare payments such as unemployment requires internet access to claim.
 
The current Conservative Party have learned at the feet of the masters, the Trump GOP :mad:


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And here is a link to the story:

https://www.indy100.com/article/lau...ed-matt-hancock-aide-labour-protester-9240166

Meanwhile - there are lots of bots all tweeting /posting on facebook the same story that the boy's parents made it up.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...enior-nursing-sister-fake-tweet-a9240316.html

The original author on facebook claims her account was hacked, but that is looking a bit unlikely
 
And let's not forget that it's basically a basic necessity to have "full-fibre broadband" connection today, really no different from having access to running water. According to Labour, British pupils apparently can't even do their homework because their crappy ADSL is just too slow.



Also, let's not confuse "free high-speed broadband to every residence in the UK" (which, by the way, is a ludicrous proposal which could and would never work*) with a universal service obligation (USO).

BT had - and still IIRC has - a USO to provide a wired telephony connection to every residence in the UK that requests it, whether that residence is in Guildford or in the remotest corner of the Outer Hebrides. And if a residence has a wired telephony connection, it can get ADSL broadband. Now it may be that in extremely remote location, ADSL might only run at 2-4Mbps, and that's certainly a problem when it comes to things like live video streaming. But it's more than enough to allow for multiple simultaneous users viewing text/photo web pages, sending emails, or downloading video files.

The UK is, in fact, already in the process of collaborative funding (central government, local government and BT) to extend faster fibre-to-the-kerb (FTTK) broadband to remote parts of the UK, in a scheme known as Broadband Delivery UK. This is an ongoing project, and should result in the vast majority of UK residences being able to receive broadband at up to around 20Mbps.

But the crucial point to remember is that this is only about the provision of higher-speed broadband. It's absolultely not about "free high-speed broadband". People in extremely remote areas will almost-certainly still be required to pay an additional set-up fee to contribute to the cost of running cable to their vicinity. And there will still be a payment mechanism for everyone who takes broadband, which will cover expenses associate with initial setup, the running of the network, and an implicit contribution towards the construction of the network. There cannot and will not ever be "free high-speed broadband".


* Firstlyi f a Labour government really did want to renationalise Openreach, it would cost them upwards of £20 billion (and their proposed UK budget doesn't come close to fiscal balance as it is...). And even then, they haven't apparently addressed the difference between network infrastructure and operation of services over that infrastructure. The very reason why Openreach was separated from BT was to allow for transparency: BT now offers internet services over the Openreach network - and pays an onward charge to Openreach for the use of that network - in exactly the same way as many other internet service providers (eg Sky, TalkTalk, PlusNet) offer services over the Openreach network and pay Openreach for the use of that network. There is no way whatsoever that a Labour government could hand out free broadband: not only would it have to create its own internet service provider, but it would also face humungous restraint-of-trade lawsuits from all those other ISPs. It's not going to happen. Period.
 
The cruel irony is that our new and improved "universal benefit" that is meant to enfold all welfare payments such as unemployment requires internet access to claim.



I think pretty much every public library in the UK offers free basic internet access. As does every Citizen's Advice Bureau. As do most JobCentres.

But I get your point and the irony behind it....
 

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