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UK - December 2019 General Election

Boris Johnson hid in a fridge this morning, to escape the terrifying prospect of being interviewed on live television. His aide (or should that be carer?) then dropped an f-bomb in front of the camera.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...des-in-fridge-to-avoid-piers-morgan-interview

Can you imagine this coward having to stand up to Trump, Putin or Winnie-the-Pooh of China. He can't even stand up to morning television presenters.

Whether the prospective candidates would press the 'nuclear button' has, for some insane reason, been seen as an issue for some during this election. I'd imagine that, faced with that decision, Johnson would simply dive under the nearest table, a quivering wreck.
 
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Darat said:
Given how more efficient the large organisations that are in the control of the state, for example the various NHSs, the prisons and so on compared to the private sector it will be cheaper to have a "not for profit" state organisation to cable the country up than a quasi-private company such as Openreach.
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See here's the problem: that's not what the Labour party has promised. Rather than offering up a reasonable and credible policy for increasing the quality of the UKs internet infrastructure, instead they pretty much promised that everyone would get practically the best internet access no matter where they lived for free.

It's dumb and completely unrealistic, as demonstrated by the fact that corbyn pointed to the enthusiasm of the people who proposed this as a vindication of the policy. Apparently these egg heads think that public ownership works like magic, because then you can just tax (or borrow) your way to everything.
 
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Ruth Davidson did exactly what Laura Kuenssberg has just done, in September 2014. She got away with it, although there was a huge outcry.

The main problem is that people who didn't understand how she got the information jumped to the conclusion that the Tory party had some sort of insider channel to postal votes and had been tampering with them. The distinction between sneaking a peek and tampering with the vote was entirely lost on a lot of people. The upshot being that there was a lot of shouting about how no politician should be anywhere near postal votes.

Lack of understanding of the process creates conspiracy theories. It's the very safety mechanism of allowing party reps to witness the PV opening so they can be satisfied that nothing underhand has happened that allows these crafty glimpses.
 
Aidoneus said:
Wouldn’t rule this out. “Desires” is a pretty easy substitute here, either for mis-speaking or digital forgery.
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A mis-speak, just possibly. Waiting with bated breath for clarification from the BBC :)
 
Ian Osborne said:
And Kerry McCarthy got a police caution.
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Hmm, I hadn't remembered that one. Of course she was Labour, whereas Ruth Davidson and Laura Kuenssberg are both Tories. Different rules.

Actually tweeting numbers is brain-dead. In my experience everybody involved with an election is told in no uncertain terms NOT TO DO THIS, and that it's illegal. There may be the odd nod and wink and forefinger on side of nose, but the first rule of postal vote tallying is that you never talk about postal vote tallying.
 
GlennB said:
A mis-speak, just possibly. Waiting with bated breath for clarification from the BBC :)
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I'm certain she said "deserves" and not "desires", but it could have been a mis-speak and she meant to say desires. Of course, everyone will say Freudian slip and they'd probably be right.

There is an even worse one (I think) still online somewhere from 2011. That was the year of the absolute tsunami for the SNP at Holyrood, where they broke the d'Hondt system and won an absolute majority in a PR system specifically designed to prevent them doing that. Quite a lot of people were fairly gobsmacked as the results came in.

One of these was Sally Magnusson, daughter of Magnus, and a BBC reporter. (Quite how people from a small independent country like Iceland come to be so unionist I don't know but there it is.) Anyway Sally, like most of her colleagues in BBC Scotland, is a diehard Labour loyalist. (This is something English people need to realise - the BBC in London is Conservative to the core, but BBC Scotland is the propaganda arm of the Labour party.) About three in the morning, probably tired and certainly emotional, as yet another SNP gain was announced in a previously rock-solid Labour seat, Sally turned to Margaret Curran, the Labour MP who was sitting opposite her in the studio, and said quite distinctly, in a rather distressed tone of voice, "What are we going to do about this?"
 
Arcade22 said:
See here's the problem: that's not what the Labour party has promised. Rather than offering up a reasonable and credible policy for increasing the quality of the UKs internet infrastructure, instead they pretty much promised that everyone would get practically the best internet access no matter where they lived for free.

It's dumb and completely unrealistic, as demonstrated by the fact that corbyn pointed to the enthusiasm of the people who proposed this as a vindication of the policy. Apparently these egg heads think that public ownership works like magic, because then you can just tax (or borrow) your way to everything.
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No they haven't, from their manifesto

"Digital

Digital and technological

advancements bring challenges,

but also huge opportunities. In the

age of AI and automation, digital

connectivity will underpin our future

economy. We will need world-class

digital infrastructure in which everyone

can share.

Labour will deliver free full-fibre

broadband to all by 2030.

We will establish British Broadband,

with two arms: British Digital

Infrastructure (BDI) and the British

Broadband Service (BBS). We will bring

the broadband-relevant parts of BT

into public ownership, with a jobs

guarantee for all workers in existing

broadband infrastructure and

retail broadband work.

BDI will roll out the remaining 90–92%

of the full-fibre network, and acquire

necessary access rights to existing

assets. BBS will coordinate the delivery

of free broadband in tranches as

the full-fibre network is rolled out,

beginning with the communities worst

served by existing broadband networks.

Taxation of multinationals, including

tech giants, will pay for the operating

costs of the public full-fibre network.

The plan will boost jobs, tackle regional

inequality and improve quality of

life as part of a mission to connect

the country."
 
SNP people pretty happy about the Survation poll just out putting us at 45.6% of the vote. If we get the vote out. It's going to snow and the Tories have all already voted by post. I don't know yet what projected seat numbers that gives. (We'll lose anyway, we always do. Hiss, boo.)


Nope, still can't find a seat projection. And there is a history of opinion polls overstating the SNP performance. On the face of it, it looks like a big, late swing from Labour (now languishing on 14.8%) mainly to the SNP but a bit to the LibDems. I still hope Jo Swinson loses her seat. I really have no idea about anything other than that we won't win here because we are fated never to win here. It could be anything from 25 seats to 50-odd.
 
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Darat said:
No they haven't, from their manifesto

"Digital

Digital and technological

advancements bring challenges,

but also huge opportunities. In the

age of AI and automation, digital

connectivity will underpin our future

economy. We will need world-class

digital infrastructure in which everyone

can share.

Labour will deliver free full-fibre

broadband to all by 2030.

We will establish British Broadband,

with two arms: British Digital

Infrastructure (BDI) and the British

Broadband Service (BBS). We will bring

the broadband-relevant parts of BT

into public ownership, with a jobs

guarantee for all workers in existing

broadband infrastructure and

retail broadband work.

BDI will roll out the remaining 90–92%

of the full-fibre network, and acquire

necessary access rights to existing

assets. BBS will coordinate the delivery

of free broadband in tranches as

the full-fibre network is rolled out,

beginning with the communities worst

served by existing broadband networks.

Taxation of multinationals, including

tech giants, will pay for the operating

costs of the public full-fibre network.

The plan will boost jobs, tackle regional

inequality and improve quality of

life as part of a mission to connect

the country."
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I don't understand what part of that you think is contrary to what I wrote. I assume that by "full fiber" they mean Fiber-to-the-building and that's the best type of internet access available anywhere.

They say it will not just be "free" (because the "tech giants" surely wouldn't pass on the cost to consumers) but also that everyone would have it, starting with the areas with worst internet... that is, they would focus on sparsely populated rural areas, because that's how we help the "many and not the few".

I just love how they specifically mention taxes against those dastardly "multinationals". The marxist who wrote that must feel really pleased with themselves, and is indicative of the anti-globalist mindset Corbyn and his far-left supporters share.
 
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Seat projection for Scotland is

SNP 47
Conservatives 6
LibDem 4
Labour 2

Well, we'll see.
 
ThatGuy11200 said:
Boris Johnson hid in a fridge this morning, to escape the terrifying prospect of being interviewed on live television. His aide (or should that be carer?) then dropped an f-bomb in front of the camera.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...des-in-fridge-to-avoid-piers-morgan-interview

Can you imagine this coward having to stand up to Trump, Putin or Winnie-the-Pooh of China. He can't even stand up to morning television presenters.

Whether the prospective candidates would press the 'nuclear button' has, for some insane reason, been seen as an issue for some during this election. I'd imagine that, faced with that decision, Johnson would simply dive under the nearest table, a quivering wreck.
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To be fair, I'd probably hide in a fridge to avoid Piers Morgan too.
 
They're now saying there was a miscalculation on the Survation results last night and have revised the SNP vote share down to 43% which is more in line with earlier polls. But the seat projection is still at 47?

SNP 47
Conservatives 8
LibDems 3
Labour 1

I don't know how that works. Labour is now on 20% but has actually gone down a seat. I also don't know what's happening in Kirkcaldy, where the SNP candidate got disowned by the party for having shared an article on Facebook three years ago that was critical of a Jewish financier. Long story, inside job. He's still on the ballot as the SNP candidate though and local activists have continued to campaign for him and he could still win the seat.

Oh and I woke up to snow on the ground this morning, first time this year.
 
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