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Man shot, killed by off-duty Dallas police officer who walked into wrong apartment p3

acbytesla said:
It was an interesting article. I do think the article did make a false statement when it said "most" officers carry when they are off duty. I'm sure some do, but I don't think the author knew this...in fact, I don't know how anyone could know. My experience with officers is they like to put their job away when they're not working and packing a firearm would be a reminder.

We had an incident in the Seattle area where an off duty King County Detective pulled and even pointed his gun at a motorcycle rider. They suspended him for all of 5 days. The man should have been fired.
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He should have gone to prison for brandishing but no one would let a cop face that kind of punishment.
 
acbytesla said:
It was a joke. King County Prosecutor refused to press charges. The Sheriff's internal investigators recommended a pathetic punishment of 10 day suspension and the review board cut it in half.

https://www.king5.com/mobile/articl...for-pulling-gun-on-motorcyclist/281-539655437
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Therein lies the problem. Police and prosecutors work together 99% of the time on criminal cases. There is an inherent conflict of interest when a police officer is the suspect, because the preserving the working relationship is important.

We need special procedures for investigating and prosecuting criminal cops that are insulated from this problem. We need prosecutors that won't see being hated by the entire police department as a real problem. I'm not holding my breath.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Therein lies the problem. Police and prosecutors work together 99% of the time on criminal cases. There is an inherent conflict of interest when a police officer is the suspect, because the preserving the working relationship is important.
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Are you suggesting the opening narration of Law and Order mislead us?
 
Three men are charged with capital murder in the killing of Amber Guyger witness Joshua Brown in 'drug deal gone bad'

Daily Mail said:
Three men have been charged with capital murder in the killing of a witness who testified at the murder trial of Dallas police officer Amber Guyger who shot and killed her unarmed neighbor in his home.

The shooting of Joshua Brown, 28, on October 4 happened days after Amber Guyger was convicted and sentenced to prison for the 2018 killing of Botham Jean.

Brown's death set off feverish speculation that he may have been killed for testifying for the prosecution in Amber Guyger's murder trial in October.

However police confirmed his death had nothing to do with the Guyger case and was the result of a drug deal gone bad...

Police have said the three men, from Alexandra, Louisiana, were in Dallas to buy drugs from Brown...
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ndicted-Dallas-cop-trial-witness-slaying.html
 
Judge dismisses lawsuit against Dallas over man shot by officer in own home

CBS News said:
A federal judge has ruled the city of Dallas is not liable for an off-duty police officer fatally shooting a man in his own apartment last year. On Monday, U.S. District Judge Barbara Lynn dismissed the city from a civil lawsuit that the family of Botham Jean brought after he was shot and killed by Amber Guyger.

The ruling leaves the 31-year-old former officer as the sole defendant in the suit, which argues she used excessive force and that better police training could have prevented Jean's death. It makes a large financial settlement unlikely.

In her brief ruling, Lynn wrote that she was upholding a magistrate judge's decision and dismissing the city from the case because the suit failed "to state a claim upon which relief can be granted."...
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/botham...t-dallas-over-man-shot-by-officer-in-own-home
 
Bob001 said:
I don't think I understand this. Maybe the family shouldn't ultimately have won their suit, but I would think it would be reasonable to argue at a trial that the Dallas PD failed to properly train and supervise their employee.
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Maybe it's because she wasn't on duty. Also, the Dallas PD never trained her to kill an innocent man in his own home.
 
William Parcher said:
Maybe it's because she wasn't on duty. Also, the Dallas PD never trained her to kill an innocent man in his own home.
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Any evidence to support this claim?

Yes, I know Atatiana Jefferson was in a completely different jurisdiction, but it ain't that far away.

As to the actual legal issues, I bet if you read the pleadings it would be more clear. And Judge Lynn is pretty well respected locally, so I'm will to agree that it was the right decision on the pleadings until I see something that would change that default.
 
William Parcher said:
Maybe it's because she wasn't on duty. Also, the Dallas PD never trained her to kill an innocent man in his own home.
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That would be their defense at trial, and a jury might accept it. I just contend that they should have been able to make their case at trial.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Any evidence to support this claim?
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I'm speculating that the Dallas PD does not have a training exercise called something like...

DPDTR 803.6 Killing an innocent person in their own home.
Objective: 1) The person is innocent and inside their own home.
2) The person is to be killed.
 
William Parcher said:
I'm speculating that the Dallas PD does not have a training exercise called something like...

DPDTR 803.6 Killing an innocent person in their own home.
Objective: 1) The person is innocent and inside their own home.
2) The person is to be killed.
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No, but according to police spokespeople the regs read

1) a person is present who may, or may not, be able to make conscious decisions about moving or doing anything at all.
2) you are terrified of anyone who exists and assume they are about to bull an RPG out of their ass.
3) shoot the ************ posthaste and face no consequence
 
"It's my employees fault for not specifically telling me I wasn't allowed to shoot unarmed black men sitting in their own apartments doing nothing eating cereal while I was tired and horny and walked in by mistake."

Yeah that tracks.
 
Bob001 said:
That would be their defense at trial, and a jury might accept it. I just contend that they should have been able to make their case at trial.
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The thing here is that the plaintiffs needed to advance a legal justification for why the police were liable and the judges found that they did not. That is what being thrown out means that even assuming everything the plaintiffs say is accepted they failed to meet the legal bounds of culpability for the police department.

Should all the most ridiculous lawsuits also go forward to juries even when they totally fail to prove their cases? That will make things expensive for Devin Nunes's cow. And it will make SLAPP lawsuits much more effective.
 
autumn1971 said:
No, but according to police spokespeople the regs read

1) a person is present who may, or may not, be able to make conscious decisions about moving or doing anything at all.
2) you are terrified of anyone who exists and assume they are about to bull an RPG out of their ass.
3) shoot the ************ posthaste and face no consequence
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If she was trained to kill innocent people in their own home then she would have been doing that. Every time she entered a home while on-duty she would have killed everyone there. She would have killed hundreds given her work history.

But that would only be the situation if she was trained to do that. She wasn't.
 
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