Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

[Gamolon]

Some people know there is a spirit world, but the rest of the human race does not believe them, like all of you here. So it makes no difference to you what I say as you disregard it.

How do you know that there are lurkers who are now convinced that there is a spirit world based on what you've said? Then those people go out and convince people?

So if breaking the spirit law regarding supplying direct evidence of the existence of the spirit world to us here on earth is based on the number of people who get convinced, why are you here in this forum trying to propagate that information? Isn't that "bad karma" for you?

 

[JimOfAllTrades]

My beliefs were much the same before winning the money. But yes, it is one of a handful of events that has shaped my views.

One of a handful of events that had a deep and lasting impact on the way you think and what you think about the nature of reality.

This doesn't sound subtle.

 

[Gamolon]

If the angels determined they could inspire others with the winning numbers I dare say they would have done it.

So you possibly took money from someone who didn't get ANY money and needed it more.

Let me ask you something. Why didn't you take that money and buy some homeless people some food? Or donate it to a worthy charity? I mean you're positive that you're here to build up good karma right?

 

[Scorpion]

So you possibly took money from someone who didn't get ANY money and needed it more.

Let me ask you something. Why didn't you take that money and buy some homeless people some food? Or donate it to a worthy charity? I mean you're positive that you're here to build up good karma right?

I used to give money away to homeless people when I lived in London. But as far as I am concerned the money was given to me specifically to buy a computer.

 

[Gamolon]

It is evidence to me, but not to anyone else.

If you KNOW it's against "spirit law" to propagate direct evidence of its existence, then why are you trying to convince others based on your experience? Didn't the Angel who gave you the numbers foresee that you would not keep the evidence to yourself and eventually get it into trouble?

But I know they did it on that occasion because they wanted me to have a computer to write this kind of thing.

I think they did it partially so that I would get a computer to talk about this kind of stuff to people on the Internet,

Maybe the spirit world wants me to preach their teachings on the Internet, which is why they gave me five numbers on the lottery in 1998, to buy my first decent computer.

I think the spirit world wanted me to have a computer to do precisely what I am doing, and have been doing on different forums for over a decade. Which is writing about my experiences and beliefs.

 

[JayUtah]

I think it is a quite subtle change, but it affected me positively without making much difference to any one else.

I see: the latest ad hoc revision is that the angels now get to think globally and violate the "no direct meddling" rule as long as there's no general harm. How are you so sure your unfair win didn't come at the worse expense of someone else? Do you know all the people who entered the lottery? Can you describe their plight with anything approaching knowledge.

I figure it was allowed by the angels or it would not have happened.

More circular reasoning.

 

[JayUtah]

But as far as I am concerned the money was given to me specifically to buy a computer.

And this lack of concern is a big part of what's wrong with your homegrown religion. Your morality seems to be anything goes, as long as it works out for you.

 

[Scorpion]

How do you know that there are lurkers who are now convinced that there is a spirit world based on what you've said? Then those people go out and convince people?

So if breaking the spirit law regarding supplying direct evidence of the existence of the spirit world to us here on earth is based on the number of people who get convinced, why are you here in this forum trying to propagate that information? Isn't that "bad karma" for you?

As has been pointed out to me many times, I have not provided any evidence, only my views.

If I could convince anyone there is a spirit world I would. In fact I think that if the spirit world wanted the likes of me to do what I am doing, spreading belief in the afterlife, they must be absolutely desperate to get through. I suspect it is because global warming is going to cause great human suffering, and the spirits want to comfort as many people as they can.
Having spiritual beliefs somewhat mitigates suffering, and spares people from complete despair.

 

[JayUtah]

I think the spirit world and the angels do what they can to alleviate our suffering, but they are not allowed to take control. We are here to work things out for ourselves by trial and error.

And if it's so uncertain, then how do you say the angels can see the future and put people into the right incarnations reliably? They clearly aren't infallible.

 

[Gamolon]

But as far as I am concerned the money was given to me specifically to buy a computer.

Free will right Scorpion?

You could have gotten even more good karma had you given it to charity or someone in need. Instead you "chose" to keep it for yourself because you deemed your need for a computer to be a better "choice" than giving it to someone who needed it more.

 

[Scorpion]

I see: the latest ad hoc revision is that the angels now get to think globally and violate the "no direct meddling" rule as long as there's no general harm. How are you so sure your unfair win didn't come at the worse expense of someone else? Do you know all the people who entered the lottery? Can you describe their plight with anything approaching knowledge.

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Its not my problem to worry about it. The angels did it so I figure they knew what they were doing, and it was a special dispensation to me that bent the rules a little in my favour.

 

[Gamolon]

As has been pointed out to me many times, I have not provided any evidence, only my views.

Yes you did! You came here and said a female spirit gave you lottery numbers to win the lottery. That's direct evidence. That's not a "view".

 

[Scorpion]

And if it's so uncertain, then how do you say the angels can see the future and put people into the right incarnations reliably? They clearly aren't infallible.

I can't say, its up to the angels not to me. I figure they know what they are doing.

 

[Scorpion]

Yes you did! You came here and said a female spirit gave you lottery numbers to win the lottery. That's direct evidence. That's not a "view".

As other members have often told me, my subjective experience is not evidence.

 

[JayUtah]

As has been pointed out to me many times, I have not provided any evidence, only my views.

We know you don't have any evidence. That doesn't stop you from presenting your "views," which change hither and yon depending on what objection is mounted. You're posturing this as something that's actually supposed to exist. But it's clear you have no idea what it is or how it works.

In fact I think that if the spirit world wanted the likes of me to do what I am doing, spreading belief in the afterlife, they must be absolutely desperate to get through.

Circular reasoning. Your failure to get through to anyone might be entirely your fault, because you have no discernible skill at critical introspection and you have no facts.

 

[JayUtah]

I can't say, its up to the angels not to me.

You're the one who pretends to know what the angels think and do, so I'm asking you.

I figure they know what they are doing.

The question is whether you know what they're doing. Clearly you don't. You're entrenched in believing something you can't even properly describe or discuss.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

I call giving me only five numbers, enough to buy a computer a subtle change in my life circumstances. If they had given me six numbers it would have been karmic.

Perfect example of “just so” rationalization.

 

[Gamolon]

Its not my problem to worry about it. The angels did it so I figure they knew what they were doing, and it was a special dispensation to me that bent the rules a little in my favour.

So now you're admitting that there are rogue Angels that go against God's laws for the spirit world? That Angels can determine when they can bend the laws or not?

 

[Gamolon]

As other members have often told me, my subjective experience is not evidence.

But you're convinced! And you've said your were given a computer to preach what you believe! Why are you even trying to convince others when you KNOW it's against the spirit laws and that you should keep that knowledge to yourself?

 

[Scorpion]

You're the one who pretends to know what the angels think and do, so I'm asking you.



The question is whether you know what they're doing. Clearly you don't. You're entrenched in believing something you can't even properly describe or discuss.

I cannot possibly know what the angels are doing, that would make me some kind of guru or prophet, and I am not one.

I am simply describing the sum of my experiences, and my conclusions