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Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

Gamolon said:
Explain why the Angels of Karma steer people away from experiences that they themselves originally deemed necessary for that spirit to evolve?
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We do not always have to do things the hard way. Our karma can be settled by our choice to do good works rather than just suffering. So the angels try to guide us to the best path. But if we are set in our ways to do harm we will pay the full price.
 
wasapi said:
What strikes me about Scorpions spiritualism is how convenient it is. A tidy package of what makes him feel good, of how he wants it to be. Things he has read or heard somewhere is repeated as fact, as long as it supports what he wants to be true.
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Below says it all...
Scorpion said:
I can't answer for all the terrible things that happen in the world. and I don't even want to try. I just want to tell the story of positive psychic experience, and spiritual philosophy.
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Scorpion said:
We do not always have to do things the hard way.
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But those "things" are what the Angels of Karma hand picked for our spirit to experience in order for us to evolve to the next level based on seeing what the future held within the incarnation.
 
Gamolon said:
But those "things" are what the Angels of Karma hand picked for our spirit to experience in order for us to evolve to the next level based on seeing what the future held within the incarnation.
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Well I know they can see into the future, because they gave me five lottery numbers by telepathy.
As for all the rest of it, I can only speculate how the angels work things out.
 
Scorpion said:
Well I know they can see into the future, because they gave me five lottery numbers by telepathy.
As for all the rest of it, I can only speculate how the angels work things out.
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Interesting that they interfered in your life to change your future.

Go ahead. Speculate.
 
Gamolon said:
I thought they weren't supposed to "directly" interfere?
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I call giving me only five numbers, enough to buy a computer a subtle change in my life circumstances. If they had given me six numbers it would have been karmic.
 
Scorpion said:
So the angels try to guide us to the best path. But if we are set in our ways to do harm we will pay the full price.
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But if the individual chooses the path, not the angels, then they have no deterministic view of the future and therefore no basis to be the authority to choose who gets what incarnation. If we are not set in our ways, but incur karma simply because the angels decided not to warn us away from something, then they're responsible. If we would have heeded their advice, had they chosen to give it, then how are the angels themselves not the ones to answer for it?
 
JayUtah said:
But if the individual chooses the path, not the angels, then they have no deterministic view of the future and therefore no basis to be the authority to choose who gets what incarnation. If we are not set in our ways, but incur karma simply because the angels decided not to warn us away from something, then they're responsible. If we would have heeded their advice, had they chosen to give it, then how are the angels themselves not the ones to answer for it?
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It remains our actions that cause our karma. The angels can only try to steer us away from doing bad, but I don't think they can stop us if we act willfully.
 
Scorpion said:
You could be right.
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And if he's right, your system is doomed to fail because the angels' interference without a sure knowledge of whether it will be effective in any given instance makes them at least partially responsible for the outcomes. They're fallible, fickle creatures. Not the demigods your system needs them to be in order to aid progression. In fact, your "angels of karma" are no more reliable than your "trance mediums." Your entire religion is based on fickle, errant gods. You might as well be ancient Greece.
 
Scorpion said:
I call giving me only five numbers, enough to buy a computer a subtle change in my life circumstances. If they had given me six numbers it would have been karmic.
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They directly interfered with you by giving you numbers to change your life circumstances.

Direct interference is direct interference no matter how you slice it.
 
Scorpion said:
It remains our actions that cause our karma. The angels can only try to steer us away from doing bad, but I don't think they can stop us if we act willfully.
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The angels cannot see the future clearly. Therefore they have no actual knowledge of what is good or bad for us in some situation. Your gods are either omniscient and you must deal with the consequences of that, or they are not omniscient and therefore fallible, and you must deal with the consequences of that. You're still trying to split the hairs in a way that some entities get all the credit while other entities take all the blame. You haven't yet grasped that the contrived religion you've made up is inherently contradictory.
 
JayUtah said:
No. This is just how you've chosen to explain your luck. Calling it evidence is the textbook definition of circular reasoning.
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I heard a clear female voice in my head tell me I had won, one hour before the draw. I remain convinced it was a spirit or angel that guided me to pick the numbers because I could feel subtle energy like a presence when I was selecting them.
 
Scorpion said:
The angels can only try to steer us away from doing bad,
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Why? I thought we needed to experience doing bad things as determined by the Angels of Karma? It's part of the evolutionary process right as you've described right?
 
Scorpion said:
I heard a clear female voice in my head tell me I had won, one hour before the draw. I remain convinced it was a spirit or angel that guided me to pick the numbers because I could feel subtle energy like a presence when I was selecting them.
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That doesn't address the circularity of the reasoning.
 
Scorpion said:
I heard a clear female voice in my head tell me I had won, one hour before the draw. I remain convinced it was a spirit or angel that guided me to pick the numbers because I could feel subtle energy like a presence when I was selecting them.
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Right.

So that Angel directly interfered with you AND gave you proof that the spirit world exists.

Two instances of an Angel breaking the spirit laws.
 
Gamolon said:
Why? I thought we needed to experience doing bad things as determined by the Angels of Karma? It's part of the evolutionary process right as you've described right?
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Close. What we actually need to experience is having bad things done to us. Right Scorpion?
 
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