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Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

Scorpion said:
No, I figure the spirit world know full well Muhammad was a lying bandit, who scared people into fighting for him for fear of Allah. They are hardly likely to mention him in the same way as Jesus and Buddha.
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I asked about the motivations of "the mediums you visit", not "the spirit world".

Try again.

Can you really not think of a more plausible reason why the mediums you visit would mention Jesus and Buddha but not Muhammad?
 
Scorpion said:
Jesus and Buddha both taught non violence. But Muhammad did not.
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Jesus did no such thing.

Scorpion said:
If God was the source of the Quran we are all in terrible trouble, because it makes him out to be a semi literate, sadistic monster. I have written a lot of criticism of the Quran on the following thread.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=326115&page=38
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Bible god is a bloodthirsty thug. His son is a violent revolutionary.

Seriously, have you not read the bible?

Westboro Baptist church is a truly horrible cult, and they strictly follow the bible.
 
Pixel42 said:
I asked about the motivations of "the mediums you visit", not "the spirit world".

Try again.

Can you really not think of a more plausible reason why the mediums you visit would mention Jesus and Buddha but not Muhammad?
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Nope.
 
Scorpion said:
Yes, I do not know for sure if the medium was genuine.
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Really? And you believe it anyway?

Scorpion said:
I do not know if spirits breath, but I don't think so because I have read somewhere they can go underwater without drowning.
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Again with the vague "heard it somewhere".

The pope is gay. It must be true because somebody, somewhere said that once. I'm sure I vaguely remember that. Are you convinced?
 
Scorpion said:
Nope.
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Consider that most spiritualist mediums even today, let alone back in the 70s, would know virtually nothing about Muhammad, but would be very familiar with Jesus and reasonably familiar with Buddha. Consider that the same would be true of most of their audience.
 
Scorpion said:
I do not know if spirits breath, but I don't think so because I have read somewhere they can go underwater without drowning.
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If they can breathe in air, then why couldn't they breathe in water?

If you can come with an explanation for why a spirit could breathe in air but not in water, then I'll come with an equally plausible (or implausible) reason for why they can do both.

edit: "A medium once said..." or "I once read..." are not explanations unless they include the actual explanation.
 
Scorpion said:
No, I figure the spirit world know full well Muhammad was a lying bandit, who scared people into fighting for him for fear of Allah.
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How many Muslim countries have you lived in, Scorpion? Please give me an actual number. You throw a lot of shade on the Qur'an and Islam. I guess that's part of your online character. But consider that the sources you're citing for your religion are circus side-show acts at best. At worst it's just you making stuff up as you go. People who live in crystal balls shouldn't throw rocks.
 
Scorpion said:
The number of souls on earth is only a small amount of the spirits that exist, either incarnate on other planets, or in between lives in the spirit world.
A trance medium said there is a big queue of souls waiting to incarnate on this planet at the present time, because of the great advancements we are making.
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I recall your comments about this planet becoming somewhat nicer than it used to be, and I suggested perhaps that made it not so suitable for someone doing the hard yards, in their reincarnation experiences.

As I recall you commented that other planets existed that may be able to fill the gap. Now you say there is a queue of souls lining up to come to this not so good training ground?

Do you see some contradiction here?

Scorpion said:
Yes, I do not know for sure if the medium was genuine.

I do not know if spirits breath, but I don't think so because I have read somewhere they can go underwater without drowning.
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I thought spirits were no material. What use would they have of air?

This gets more complex and contradictory as time goes on.
 
Thor 2 said:
I recall your comments about this planet becoming somewhat nicer than it used to be, and I suggested perhaps that made it not so suitable for someone doing the hard yards, in their reincarnation experiences.

As I recall you commented that other planets existed that may be able to fill the gap. Now you say there is a queue of souls lining up to come to this not so good training ground?

Do you see some contradiction here?
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Nope. That is part of the internally consistent logic. So long as one accept the assumptions, it all works. Of course the entire lot is predicated upon a bucket of ****, but so long as one accepts that bucket. the conclusions follow logically. For a given value of logic. After all, if one assumes faulty premises for anything then one can make up whatever one pleases, or displeases. or doesn't care about.

Nevertheless, our protagonist is in a different class. His working assumption appears to be that nobody here has given this baloney a moments thought until he rocked up. This is patently false. Why he clings to it is anyone's guess. I defer to Scorpion to identify that. It is not my role to insert words into his mouth.

Thor 2 said:
I thought spirits were no material. What use would they have of air?
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Well none. Hence my question about breathing which has not been satisfactorily been answered, so far.

Thor 2 said:
This gets more complex and contradictory as time goes on.
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Given all I know, I know it is baloney from top to bottom. Given all I know, I could mount a logical defense and indeed a case for the superstitious crap. So why do I not? Because it would require me to flat out lie to you and everyone else.
 
The real horror of Scorpion's belief system is that he thinks it is moral to see ones fellow man die in a gutter and stand aside as a disinterested observer and merely let it happen.
 
Scorpion said:
I have heard a spirit guide mention Jesus and Buddha in the same breath, describing them as spiritual masters. But unsurprisingly I never even heard them mention Muhammad. He was obviously a false prophet. The kind that Jesus warned against.
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The spirit guide is a disgusting bigot.

The point of having spiritual beliefs is to help one become a better person. This ant-Islamic stuff is not healthy spiritually or intellectually.
 
Scorpion said:
Are you going to quote me the only bible verse which says Jesus brought a sword? Because near enough everything else he said was benign.
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Really? Even the part where he chases the money-changers out of the Temple with a bullwhip? That's a Jesus I can get behind.

Plus all of the Apostles were armed and Judas was part of a sect of people who were well known assassins. Technically the J-Man was a USAF TACP for a 12-man SF ODA team.

He taught kindness and compassion but he taught that one should be ready to stand up for what they believe in. That whole "Turn the Other Cheek" thing is not about non-violence, its about forcing your adversary to treat you as a equal.
 
Scorpion said:
I have heard a spirit guide mention Jesus and Buddha in the same breath, describing them as spiritual masters. But unsurprisingly I never even heard them mention Muhammad. He was obviously a false prophet. The kind that Jesus warned against.
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Do you actually think that the mediums gave you an exhaustive list of spiritual masters? And that there only two? Otherwise, maybe they just didn't get around to mentioning Muhammad.

You ask me for a list of all of Snow White's dwarves. I answer, "Sleapy, Sneezy, Dopey, Doc, Bashful, and Grumpy." Do you automatically assume that Happy was not a dwarf, or that he was a false dwarf?

I think you're reading your own social prejudices into what you were told by mediums. Did you ever ask, "What about Muhammed?" I doubt you did.
 
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