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UK - December 2019 General Election

Dominic Grieve's supporters are out in force, had one knock on my door today and already had several leaflets Pleasantly surprised about their presentation. I may vote for him as a " tactical" vote. This area has always been one of the safest Tory seats so would love to see them lose it to someone they threw out of the Tory party for doing what the likes of Mogg and Johnson did several times.
 
Darat said:
Dominic Grieve's supporters are out in force, had one knock on my door today and already had several leaflets Pleasantly surprised about their presentation. I may vote for him as a " tactical" vote. This area has always been one of the safest Tory seats so would love to see them lose it to someone they threw out of the Tory party for doing what the likes of Mogg and Johnson did several times.
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I was in your constituency until a few years ago (I guess we must still be almost neighbours), I'd never have voted for him then, but if I was still there now I'd be tempted. I don't like to vote on single issues but in this instance I'd make an exception.
 
Rolfe said:
The BBC is at it again. In last night's leader's special, the question to Boris Johnston about the need for a leader to tell the truth was met with audible laughter from the audience, as well as a smattering of applause. The clip, broadcast on the news, appears to have had more applause added to drown out the laughter.

https://twitter.com/Tingaling007/status/1198275000073117697
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The answer was from a different clip entirely. Listen to how he says what he says.
 
I've heard several versions of what people think happened. I haven't heard anyone defend the proposal that it wasn't altered, or that the alteration wasn't done in such a way as to make Johnson look better. After the Cenotaph thing, it doesn't look good.
 
Rolfe said:
The BBC is at it again. In last night's leader's special, the question to Boris Johnston about the need for a leader to tell the truth was met with audible laughter from the audience, as well as a smattering of applause. The clip, broadcast on the news, appears to have had more applause added to drown out the laughter.

https://twitter.com/Tingaling007/status/1198275000073117697
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And edited to avoid the PM stumbling over his words. England waking up to what Scotland has known since 2014
 
Information Analyst said:
FTFY.
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Information Analyst said:
She is standing again, and is very likely to win, given that she's increased her vote share in both subsequent election after first securing the seat in 2010. It would be great if the Green Party got more MPs, but I doubt it will happen this time around, despite the good results in the recent local and European Parliament elections.
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Oopsie, my bad.
 
I'm not sure. There was an allegation that a Tory politician was wearing one of these on a different occasion, and Derek Bateman the retired BBC interviewer said it wouldn't work because there's so much electronic interference in the studio that the wearer wouldn't get a clear signal and what's more the sound engineers would know it was there.

But on the other hand if the earpiece was provided by the sound engineers that I suppose would be a different matter. I wonder.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
I was in your constituency until a few years ago (I guess we must still be almost neighbours), I'd never have voted for him then, but if I was still there now I'd be tempted. I don't like to vote on single issues but in this instance I'd make an exception.
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Well it isn't really a single issue vote choice. As you know this is one of the safest Tory seats in the country so usually there is no actual choice, I am just wondering however if because he has been a very popular MP with plenty of name recognition (ignoring the coup attempts by the Brexiter) if he can get enough votes to deny the Tories a seat. It is very tempting and it would be delicious.
 
Rolfe said:
I'm not sure. There was an allegation that a Tory politician was wearing one of these on a different occasion, and Derek Bateman the retired BBC interviewer said it wouldn't work because there's so much electronic interference in the studio that the wearer wouldn't get a clear signal and what's more the sound engineers would know it was there.

But on the other hand if the earpiece was provided by the sound engineers that I suppose would be a different matter. I wonder.
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Earpieces are digital these days and any decent one would have no problems working in such an environment, especially for speech. Range would be the biggest issue. And even that is easy to get around these days, the ear piece is bluetooth connected to a mobile phone and you call the phone for the actual connection and your prompter could be sat behind a desk in the Kremlin.
 
Matthew Best said:
It looks like it was edited for time.

I'd need to see the whole answer from start to finish, which has (ironically) been edited out of the Twitter post.
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Is that 'edited for time' as in 'edited for time, no wait it was obvious satire, that's it, satire' or is James Cleverley not involved?
 
Darat said:
Well it isn't really a single issue vote choice. As you know this is one of the safest Tory seats in the country so usually there is no actual choice, I am just wondering however if because he has been a very popular MP with plenty of name recognition (ignoring the coup attempts by the Brexiter) if he can get enough votes to deny the Tories a seat. It is very tempting and it would be delicious.
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I wasn't suggesting you would, or should, make a single issue vote. Rather that in this case I might. He's one of the two MPs I've contacted about political matters, both Torys and both told me they didn't care what my opinion was on the subject I contacted them about. But at least Grieve didn't send me a letter saying that so many people had contacted him that he wouldn't address our individual concerns and to pick the reason he was refusing to listen to us out of a list....

Plus, while I don't agree with him on almost everything except Brexit I'll concede that he has personal integrity, and that's desperately needed right now.
 
Darat said:
Earpieces are digital these days and any decent one would have no problems working in such an environment, especially for speech. Range would be the biggest issue. And even that is easy to get around these days, the ear piece is bluetooth connected to a mobile phone and you call the phone for the actual connection and your prompter could be sat behind a desk in the Kremlin.
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I don't honestly know. Derek was a BBC pro, but he has been retired for over five years.
 
With the Tory manifesto launched, already a few of the recent talking points have been picked apart. Social care has gone from
we will fix the crisis in social care once and for all with a clear plan we have prepared
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at the the election campaign launch.

to
requires a solution that is able to survive long-term. We will build a cross-party concensus...
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in the manifesto

And as a reporter asked (either at the launch or earlier), how does he propose building a cross-party concencus, when the Tories have been demonising the opposition for a good while now?

Edit: On the promise of 50,000 more nurses for the NHS:
Boris Johnson pledge for 50,000 more nurses not quite what it seems - 12k from abroad, 14k new undergrad students, 5k degree apprenticeships. Which leaves 19k nurses “retained” who would otherwise have left... so not “new” nurses at all
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https://twitter.com/rowenamason/status/1198623421875269632 (The Guardian's deputy political editor Rowena Mason)
 
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KDLarsen said:
With the Tory manifesto launched, already a few of the recent talking points have been picked apart. Social care has gone from

at the the election campaign launch.

to

in the manifesto

And as a reporter asked (either at the launch or earlier), how does he propose building a cross-party concencus, when the Tories have been demonising the opposition for a good while now?

Edit: On the promise of 50,000 more nurses for the NHS:

https://twitter.com/rowenamason/status/1198623421875269632 (The Guardian's deputy political editor Rowena Mason)
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Let's not forgot it also suggests:


"After Brexit we also need to look at the broader aspects of our constitution: the relationship between the Government, Parliament and the courts; the functioning of the Royal Prerogative; the role of the House of Lords; and access to justice for ordinary people," it says.
Mr Johnson has had a difficult relationship with the courts since becoming prime minister, with the Supreme Court ruling that his decision to suspend Parliament for five weeks was unlawful.
His manifesto also includes a pledge to "update" the Human Rights Act "to ensure that there is a proper balance between the rights of individuals, our vital national security and effective government".
To examine these issues, a Tory government would set up a "Constitution, Democracy & Rights Commission", it says.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-2019-50531778

Anyone actually think that's going to translate into stronger rights and more accountability?
 
Handy cut out and keep guide to the election manafestos

Labour: Promise to spend loads of money undoing the damage previous Conservative governments have done to the Police, NHS and public services.

Conservative: Promise to spend loads of money undoing the damage previous Conservative governments have done to the Police, NHS and public services.
 
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