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House Impeachment Inquiry

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acbytesla said:
I consider myself a Democrat who is liberal on some issues and less so on others. And while I believe we spend too much on the military and I don't always agree with military actions I do support the men and women who serve. More often than not I find them to be highly principled individuals.

And that I admire in anyone.
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Exactly! Give me a principled adversary versus an unprincipled ally anyday.
 
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Hellbound said:
Exactly! Give me a principled adversary versus an unprincipled ally anyway.
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I suppose it matters a bit what those principles are.

I'd certainly prefer, for instance, to live in a country run by people who mostly share my values, but occaisionally get lazy or selfish in small ways to one run by true believers in genocide who never waiver.

History is full of slaughter committed by folks with anshakable principles.
 
Bernard B. Kerik former commissioner of the New York City Department of Correction and New York City Police Commissioner, interior minister of the Iraqi Coalition Provisional Authority and convicted felon tweeted

Bernard B. Kerik
@BernardKerik
Every enlisted service member in the United States military just looked at this guy and said, what a dick! That arrogance is why he believed he could dictate foreign policy over President @realDonaldTrump
 
Cavemonster said:
I suppose it matters a bit what those principles are.

I'd certainly prefer, for instance, to live in a country run by people who mostly share my values, but occaisionally get lazy or selfish in small ways to one run by true believers in genocide who never waiver.

History is full of slaughter committed by folks with anshakable principles.
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Most of the principles that the services hold dear are fine with me. About the only thing I don't respect is how religion is too often tied to service.
 
Cavemonster said:
I suppose it matters a bit what those principles are.

I'd certainly prefer, for instance, to live in a country run by people who mostly share my values, but occaisionally get lazy or selfish in small ways to one run by true believers in genocide who never waiver.

History is full of slaughter committed by folks with anshakable principles.
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Nope, even then, I think I'd prefer an opponent who was unequivocal in their support for genocide. Would we be where we are today if our current batch of Wimp Nazis had the integrity to stand up and admit they'd just love the opportunity to commit genocide again, if we gave them the chance?
 
Horatius said:
Nope, even then, I think I'd prefer an opponent who was unequivocal in their support for genocide. Would we be where we are today if our current batch of Wimp Nazis had the integrity to stand up and admit they'd just love the opportunity to commit genocide again, if we gave them the chance?
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Yeah, pretty much my thinking. Someone with principles that stands up for them, at least there's never confusion about where you stand. And if your principles are completely incompatible, it's known up front. Of course there are degrees, but witty* one-liners are rarely amenable to detailed analysis, anyway ;)

*-I have a right to my own opinions, dammit! :)
 
I'm watching Trump's sycophants, Nunes and Jordan, make complete asses of themselves repeating the same talking points and false accusations. They are truly pathetic.
 
acbytesla said:
I consider myself a Democrat who is liberal on some issues and less so on others. And while I believe we spend too much on the military and I don't always agree with military actions I do support the men and women who serve. More often than not I find them to be highly principled individuals.

And that I admire in anyone.
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On the plus side look at all the pardoning Trump did to help those in uniform. Shows how pointless that whole illegal order and we take war crimes serious is just for show.
 
ponderingturtle said:
On the plus side look at all the pardoning Trump did to help those in uniform.
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War criminals get pardons.

Truth-tellers Snitches get stitches.

Makes one wonder whether we're dealing with someone who values the raw exercise of power over all else.
 
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The White House tweeted

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Tim Morrison, Alexander Vindman's former boss, testified in his deposition that he had concerns about Vindman's judgment.
 
wasapi said:
It seems, in my opinion, it must be that it triggers Trump, because it is another reminder that Trump avoided any military service. I think the contrast of his military uniform, and all that it represents, sticks in Trumps claw.
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Hell it's also a reminder that Vindman can pass the toughest security clearance exams that no one in the Trump family could pass.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
Everyone who reads fake news thinks Trump will be leaving office.
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I'm afraid he'll be leaving office even in your dream scenario in which he's declared president for life, because he will die.

I don't pay any attention to fake news ...
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And yet you believe you know what's being said in the non-Fox media. Presumably because you believe what Fox tells you is being said. In fact (and you won't get fact on Fox) the press is pretty much universally convinced that the Republicans won't convict whatever evidence is presented.
 
I think the Democrats missed an opportunity when the Reps showed faux incredulity about Lt. Col. Vindmann taking orders from a civilian (The President).

He's the goddamn Commander-in-Chief and ultimate military boss, and no one mentioned that.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
The White House tweeted

The White House
@WhiteHouse
Tim Morrison, Alexander Vindman's former boss, testified in his deposition that he had concerns about Vindman's judgment.
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Gym Jordan got owned:


Referencing the previous testimony of NSC official Tim Morrison, Jordan noted that Morrison claimed he and others raised concerns about Vindman’s judgment and believed he may have leaked info to the press.

"Your former boss, Dr. [Fiona] Hill, had concerns about your judgment,” Jordan added. “Your colleagues had concerns about your judgment and your colleagues felt that there were times when you leaked information. Any idea why they have those impressions, Colonel Vindman?”

Vindman, meanwhile, pulled out the last performance evaluation that Hill had given him, dated this past July. “Alex is a top 1% military officer and the best Army officer I have worked with in my 15 years of government service,” Vindman read from the document. “‘He is brilliant, unflappable, and exercises excellent judgment’—I’m sorry—‘Was exemplary during numerous visits,’ so forth and so on. I think you get the idea.”
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/impea...-shuts-down-gop-rep-jim-jordans-attack-on-him
 
OMG...Idiot Nunes actually starts off his statement to Volker and Morrison that he has "bad news " for them; the TV ratings are way down" and not to take it "personally". He then says the people aren't buying the 'drug deal or whatever the Dems are cooking up".

He then follows that stupidity up with asking them if anyone at the WH had ever asked either to 'bribe or extort anyone or anything out of anyone".
LOL!

Twit. He really should stop embarrassing himself.
 
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