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Greta Thunberg - brave campaigner or deeply disturbed?

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Steve said:
Ms Thunberg and yourself have a common goal, but you have spent many posts disparaging her message. Her message is being heard by many thousands of people. Yours by around ten. Thunberg appears to be far and away the more effective communicator.
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Yes we do, only I have a completely different tack. I've been doing this for decades and I know exactly the reaction I'm going to get. I did manage to get one climate "activist" a guy who'd but up a billboard in London that read " Climate Change is Intergererational Genocide" to say he'd never fly again.

But 5 years later, I noticed he was teaching a workshop in Costa Rica.

I'm not fussed that Thunberg's message is being heard by an orders of magnitude audience than mine is but I'd much rather have people consider the wisdom of propane patio heaters than appear before city council with a proposal that the city ban them.
 
Stout said:
Yes we do, only I have a completely different tack. I've been doing this for decades and I know exactly the reaction I'm going to get. I did manage to get one climate "activist" a guy who'd but up a billboard in London that read " Climate Change is Intergererational Genocide" to say he'd never fly again.

But 5 years later, I noticed he was teaching a workshop in Costa Rica.

I'm not fussed that Thunberg's message is being heard by an orders of magnitude audience than mine is but I'd much rather have people consider the wisdom of propane patio heaters than appear before city council with a proposal that the city ban them.
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I appreciate you agreeing with my post that you quoted.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
What does that have to do with reminding people in this forum, that attacking Thunberg does not change the reality of climate change?
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I should have been more explicit that the right wing has sought to discredit Thunberg's message by personal attacks on her. And these of course do not change the reality of climate change.
 
Stout said:
Here, I'll simplify things a little and explain just what it is that I'm doing here.

I need you to think of oil as meth.

What I'm doing is running a D.A.R.E program to try to keep people off on meth (oil). to prevent them from getting too deeply entangled that they won't be able to back out and end up either dead or in the clutches of the DEA.

You don't object to trying to keep kids off of drugs do you ?

I know it's too late for most of you Greataphiles, I can see it in your posts but it's your kids, your grand children I'm thinking about and it doesn't do them any good to be raised in a drug house.
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And I'll go along with Mann's analysis of your concern.
 
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The eco documentary 2040 is a gentle antidote to environmental anxiety.



As 2040 is released, however, the doom and gloom of the climate crisis Gameau’s documentary takes pains to avoid is inescapable. Australia is ablaze.

For Gameau, the irony of this tragedy stings. “Thousand of school kids were derided for protesting against the very thing that’s now forcing them to miss school,” he says. “People are so frustrated. They’re overwhelmed. They’re angry. Our government is still denying that the fires are climate related. The cognitive dissonance is remarkable.”

The Greta Thunberg effect: are climate crisis documentaries feeling it?
 
Matthew Best said:
The eco documentary 2040 is a gentle antidote to environmental anxiety.



As 2040 is released, however, the doom and gloom of the climate crisis Gameau’s documentary takes pains to avoid is inescapable. Australia is ablaze.

For Gameau, the irony of this tragedy stings. “Thousand of school kids were derided for protesting against the very thing that’s now forcing them to miss school,” he says. “People are so frustrated. They’re overwhelmed. They’re angry. Our government is still denying that the fires are climate related. The cognitive dissonance is remarkable.”

The Greta Thunberg effect: are climate crisis documentaries feeling it?
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Australia is often ablaze tbf.

Might want to pick a better example.

I'd advise against Venice flooding
 
cullennz said:
Australia is often ablaze tbf.

Might want to pick a better example.

I'd advise against Venice flooding
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Australia has never been ablaze like this. The fires are starting earlier than ever. Even with the best technology fires are harder than ever to control. Areas that have not experienced fires before are burning. Areas that are used to fire and reqruire fire for seeding new plants cannot cope with the frequency of fires.

Might want to pick a better example.


I'd advise against Australian bush fires.
 
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a_unique_person said:
Australia has never been ablaze like this. The fires are starting earlier than ever. Even with the best technology fires are harder than ever to control. Areas that have not experienced fires before are burning. Areas that are used to fire and reqruire fire for seeding new plants cannot cope with the frequency of fires.

Might want to pick a better example.


I'd advise against Australian bush fires.
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It isn't that. It is just that it isn't the greatest one to use arguing with climate deniers as they will just point out other years of fires.

The world works a bit black and whit with some people
 
a_unique_person said:
Australia has never been ablaze like this. The fires are starting earlier than ever. Even with the best technology fires are harder than ever to control. Areas that have not experienced fires before are burning. Areas that are used to fire and reqruire fire for seeding new plants cannot cope with the frequency of fires.

Might want to pick a better example.


I'd advise against Australian bush fires.
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I don't have the equivalent for Australia but here is a great GIF showing climate change in California over the past years from wetter and cooler to drier and hotter.
http://berkeleyearth.lbl.gov/downloads/CaliforniaFire.gif

It is hard to deny the substantial contributions of these changes to the increasingly devastating wild fires we are experiencing.
 
cullennz said:
It isn't that. It is just that it isn't the greatest one to use arguing with climate deniers as they will just point out other years of fires.

The world works a bit black and whit with some people
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Of course it is difficult to battle intentional ignorance but stating the facts must represent a beginning, is likely to convert at least some of those now sitting on the fence, and perhaps even begin to open the minds of some of those who are firmer in their climate change denial but have not completely shut down their willingness to listen to others.

Ironically, from my observations it appears that acute weather-based events that attract attention, scare people, and are more likely due to climate change, but are not scientific proofs of climate change per se, are those that convince many in the public of climate change. A dramatic increase in wild fires, a significant increase in extreme hurricanes, etc. appears to be more effective in convincing people than charts of mean temperature over the past hundreds of years. Even though the latter is by far the more scientifically relevant data.
 
Stout said:
Yes we do, only I have a completely different tack. I've been doing this for decades and I know exactly the reaction I'm going to get. I did manage to get one climate "activist" a guy who'd but up a billboard in London that read " Climate Change is Intergererational Genocide" to say he'd never fly again.

But 5 years later, I noticed he was teaching a workshop in Costa Rica.

I'm not fussed that Thunberg's message is being heard by an orders of magnitude audience than mine is but I'd much rather have people consider the wisdom of propane patio heaters than appear before city council with a proposal that the city ban them.
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I rather you both have the most success possible.
 
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cullennz said:
Australia is often ablaze tbf.

Might want to pick a better example.

I'd advise against Venice flooding
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Higher daytime temperatures in Australia are making brushfires more frequent and more severe. Suggesting otherwise is classic climate scei9nce denial.

Higher sea levels are making flooding in Venice (and other coastal cities like Miami) more frequent and more severe. Suggesting otherwise is classic climate science denial.
 
cullennz said:
It isn't that. It is just that it isn't the greatest one to use arguing with climate deniers as they will just point out other years of fires.
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That's okay, because it gives you an opportunity to point out the trend:

Black Thursday: 1851
Black Friday: 1939
Black Sunday: 1955
Black Tuesday: 1967
Ash Wednesday: 1983
Eastern Seaboard: 1993
Black Christmas: 2001
Canberra: 2003
Victoria: 2003
Junee: 2006
Multiple: 2006
Kangaroo Island: 2007
Black Saturday: 2009
Tasmania: 2013
NSW: 2013
Esperance: 2015
Carwoola: 2017
Tathra: 2018
NSW/QLD: 2019
 
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