a_unique_person
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Greta Thunberg - brave campaigner or deeply disturbed?
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I was catching up and had just been through the "fact-checking Breitbart" diversion and thought this was a nice segue.
Sorry, cullennz, I was actually really happy to see you say that first thing, and I was just trying to show the Thunberg-detractors something about one of "them".
Odd to see who is opposed to her, and how you aren't someone I'd have guessed would have been.
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Was just going with the flow, but thought doing the same thing as the disciples seemed apt.
Rubbish. Your posts are here for all to see.
If you want to point out which ones a particularly bad I am open to discussing.
Just think her management is a bit crap
And she can be personally to me irritating with some of her acting in speeches
a_unique_person
Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning
I know, right. She irritates some people. How in the hell does she get away with that?
Steve
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Steve
Penultimate Amazing
Odd that you think every person knows everything about climate change that Thunberg does (and that you do). I assume you realize that everyone’s learning process involves hearing about a thing for the first time. A lot of the young people listening to Thunberg may well be hearing details that they have never heard before. At least you acknowledge that there are people who have not yet been paying attention. Those people can still be educated.
Which government do you think has “got this”? Seems that you are one who has not been paying attention. One of Thunberg’s consistent points is that governments havenot “got this”.
Because she has a right to.
Which is good
Just don't get offended when people point out it can irritate
Ours
In fact our PM has called climate change "Her generations nuclear free moment"
Not that they doing any good from it.
And not that it will make any difference given the miniscule amount of emissions we comparatively emit
theprestige
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Which is why she's sailing to Madrid to tell the government representatives at COP25 that they don't have this. Something they don't know, because they still need to hear it for the first time. From Greta Thunberg.
No, wait. That's silly. What does Greta's message to schoolchildren have to do with her attending COP25?
Have you heard about profile and getting your message to a wider audience?
Some people no doubt wish she had remained a low profile student, but she is communicating to and influencing millions. That must rankle.
COP25 is a meeting of global experts on climate change and government representatives whose portfolios are climate change.
I doubt very much she will be inspiring them with things they haven't heard or don't know.
The only reason they will probably put up with sitting and listening to her is it would look bad to not be pictured their given her profile.
I don't think conservatives "get" Thunberg at all. Her goal is to bring new visibility to climate change from the perspective of the future generations who will suffer the damages that we, the current generation, are inflicting on them by our relative inaction. In part she is angry, as I would be if my future was being threatened. In part she hopes to embarrass into some sort of action those who have done nothing so far. Many other arguments and approaches have failed to move many governments and people into doing something; perhaps some pleas from our children might help.
Everyone who has been paying attention already "knows" about climate change and therefore doesn't need Thunberg? Many people obviously haven't been paying attention. And yet more people, deniers, have gotten the facts wrong. And even many of those who have been paying attention and understand climate change have found it an inconvenient truth, one that they would prefer to ignore so that they can still make more money by selling oil, or perhaps only so they can enjoy their own huge SUV. I don't think Thunberg is herself primarily seeking to teach facts so much as to capture people's attention. She refers others to scientists for the facts.
She is an agitator. She is not attending COP25 to tell people what they haven't heard; she is attending to pressure people to act on what they already know.
Everyone who has been paying attention already "knows" about climate change and therefore doesn't need Thunberg? Many people obviously haven't been paying attention. And yet more people, deniers, have gotten the facts wrong. And even many of those who have been paying attention and understand climate change have found it an inconvenient truth, one that they would prefer to ignore so that they can still make more money by selling oil, or perhaps only so they can enjoy their own huge SUV. I don't think Thunberg is herself primarily seeking to teach facts so much as to capture people's attention. She refers others to scientists for the facts.
She is an agitator. She is not attending COP25 to tell people what they haven't heard; she is attending to pressure people to act on what they already know.
I gave up after your assumption only conservatives are idiot climate change deniers and presumably you think all of the non conservatives aren't
I also wish to point out that Thunberg clearly knows that whatever she might do in her travels or personal life represents a potential target for personal attacks by her opponents. And I suspect that she is also trying to present novel ways of thinking about energy sources. This is why she is traveling by sailboat, yet of course this has been attacked in this thread. It has been suggested that she should travel instead in an "extra" seat on a incompletely booked airline flight, yet clearly this does come with a greenhouse gas burden due to her weight; further does anyone really think that flying on a plane, no matter how subtle the argument, wouldn't be the basis of vicious denouncements of her as a hypocrite? Same if she traveled on a freighter: her opponents wouldn't consider the fuel per pound of cargo costs but instead focus on the total amount of fuel, and the pollution, associated with the trip.
Basically she cannot really win because anything she might do can be, and would be, distorted to put her in a bad light. But I think she is being pretty clever so far and minimizing the opportunities for he opponents to smear her.
Finally a reminder: attacking Thunberg doesn't make climate change go away.
Basically she cannot really win because anything she might do can be, and would be, distorted to put her in a bad light. But I think she is being pretty clever so far and minimizing the opportunities for he opponents to smear her.
Finally a reminder: attacking Thunberg doesn't make climate change go away.
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