The Electric Comet Theory /SAFIRE Part V

[jonesdave116]

Fred me ‘ol mate, jonesdave116 bangs on about “no solar wind reading the surface” so no electrochemistry.

We have quite a potential difference in play at 67P, cheers J Deca, and we have sheds load of “ingredients” in a plasma solution.

https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/abs/2019/10/aa34666-18/aa34666-18.html

So.....ummmm

No?

Oh you mob are quite happy to postulate, from another postulate on the postulate that comets are left overs.



Anywho...

Why did you quote that? It has nothing whatsoever to do with electric woo. Stop quoting random stuff that has nothing to do with your woo.

 

[Reality Check]

The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88

The list of thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 with yet more insanity is getting too big for a single post yet again ! So time to condense it again.
The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !
Sol88's totally insane lie repeated over many years that we have no mainstream model of comets when he cites papers on the mainstream model !
Sol88's totally insane lie that "The nucleus is thus a highly porous very dusty body with very little ice." is Sol88's insanity of comets being actual rock !
Sol88's utterly insane lie for over 4 years that MUPUS hammered into actual rock.
Sol88's persistent insanity of not understanding the difference between the surface of a comet nucleus and its interior.

 

[Reality Check]

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. addressed since 6 July 2009

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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.

Sol88's usual insanity of confirming Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

ETA: A long weekend here and a spate of Sol88's persistent insanity means that I will not address every one of his recent posts. Readers of the thread can assume that every post from Sol88 over the last 3 days is Sol88's usual insanity.

 

[Reality Check]

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. addressed since 6 July 2009

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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.

Sol88's usual insane lies about the mainstream to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

The RSI experiment measured the mass of 67P and confirmed that 67P is not Sol88's insanity of actual rock.
The "very little ice" in that quote is 14% to 33% ices by mass.

 

[Reality Check]

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. addressed since 6 July 2009

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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's irrelevant insanity that spacecraft adjust their trajectory .

 

[Reality Check]

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. addressed since 6 July 2009

...

The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's insanity is that comets are actual rock from rocky planets, not his delusion of "some form of rock".

 

[Reality Check]

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. addressed since 6 July 2009

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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's usual insane lies about real comets (his total insanity of no ices at Tempel 1) !
His NASA page Deep Impact states the detection of water ices on the surface of Tempel 1.
A total of 5 million kg (11 million lb) of water[41] and between 10 and 25 million kg (22 and 55 million lb) of dust were lost from the impact.[39] !

 

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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. addressed since 6 July 2009

Nope inferred ice.

The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Deep Impact states the detection of water ices on the surface of Tempel 1.
A total of 5 million kg (11 million lb) of water[41] and between 10 and 25 million kg (22 and 55 million lb) of dust were lost from the impact.[39] !

 

[Reality Check]

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. addressed since 6 July 2009

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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's insanity that the density of dust grains is the density of comets !
Comets have high porosity (~80% measured for 67P). Anyone with 2 brain cells knows that if we take an insanely bad approximation of only dust grains that gives comets a density of a small part of density of dust grains. Add ices and the density is what we measure - an average of ~0.6 g/cc rather than the ~3.0 g/cc of asteroids.

 

[Reality Check]

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. addressed since 6 July 2009

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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's usual insane lies about mainstream science.
We have been pointing out for years the basic fact that cometary coma stop the solar wind from reaching the nucleus. There is some debated mainstream ices and dust comet science that when the solar wind can reach the nucleus, electrostatic charging can eject existing grains (dust an ice?) from the surface.

This is not anything to do with Sol88's utter insanity above.

 

[tusenfem]

We have quite a potential difference in play at 67P, cheers J Deca,

From Jan's plots (e.g. Fig. 2) the electric field units for the color bar are 2.4 mV/m, and the color bar extends to 2.5.

 

[jonesdave116]

From Jan's plots (e.g. Fig. 2) the electric field units for the color bar are 2.4 mV/m, and the color bar extends to 2.5.

Yep. Just to save any confusion about which Deca et al paper we are talking about;

Building a Weakly Outgassing Comet from a Generalized Ohm’s Law
Deca, J. et al. (2019)
https://hal-insu.archives-ouvertes.fr/insu-02271293/document

Other parts of that paper that might bear scrutiny from those who are struggling to understand it;

To first order, for a weakly outgassing comet, the dynamical interaction that determines the general structure of the cometary plasma environment is representative of a four-fluid coupled system (illustrated in Fig. 1), where the solar wind electrons move to neutralize the cometary ions and the cometary electrons organize themselves to neutralize the solar wind ions.

The Generalised Ohm's Law model they are using..............

Its limit of validity assumes typical spatial scales, λ, much larger than the electron inertial length, de, and the electron Debye length, λD,e, such that quasi-neutrality is satisfied........

&

After ensuring that charge-neutrality is maintained (accounting for both solar wind and cometary plasma), we derive the total ion velocity, the total charge current and the total electron pressure tensor to retrieve the different terms that would appear in a GOL.

 

[ferd burfle]

Fred me ‘ol mate, jonesdave116 bangs on about “no solar wind reading the surface” so no electrochemistry.

We have quite a potential difference in play at 67P, cheers J Deca, and we have sheds load of “ingredients” in a plasma solution.

https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/abs/2019/10/aa34666-18/aa34666-18.html

So.....ummmm

No?

Oh you mob are quite happy to postulate, from another postulate on the postulate that comets are left overs.



Anywho...

Oh dear, Sol doesn’t understand the difference between liquid and plasma. Sad.

 

[jonesdave116]

Another clue about the validity of the model presented by Deca et al is in the title of the paper;

.....Weakly Outgassing Comet.......

This is for ~ 0.3 l/s, at 4.0 - 4.5 AU. Their previous paper was looking at the comet at ~ 3.0 AU, with an outgassing rate of ~ 3.0 l/s. They do not expect this model to necessarily hold as outgassing increases;

As the cometary outgassing activity increases, plasma-neutral collisions will play an increasingly significant role in shaping the ionized cometary environment. Collisions account for two significant processes in the context of mass-loaded plasmas: ion-neutral friction and electron cooling. When the gas production rate is high enough, plasma-neutral collisions eventually carve out a nonmagnetized region near the cometary nucleus. This region is shaped by electron-neutral collisions. Taking into account collisions will be necessary to extend this study for more active comets.

Electron and Ion Dynamics of the Solar Wind Interaction with a Weakly Outgassing Comet
Deca, J. et al. (2017)
https://hal-insu.archives-ouvertes.fr/insu-01541244/document

 

[Reality Check]

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. addressed since 6 July 2009

Fred me ‘ol mate, jonesdave116 bangs on about “no solar wind reading the surface” so no electrochemistry.
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma continued in the electric universe theories thread.

Sol88's insanity of blatant lies about posters and posts.

jonesdave116 points out that Sol88 lies about the science he cites yet again! Which is suggested by the title of the paper alone: Study of plasma induced chemistry by DC discharges in CO2/N2/H2O mixtures above a water surface - no liquid water on the surface of comet nuclei .
This is plasma induced chemistry irrelevant to Sol88's insane delusions about comet.

Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms Sol88's insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

 

[tusenfem]

hahaha "electric universe uk" writes the following to a tweet by comet interceptor:

We are wondering if copper will be used again this time, given its explosive discharge prior to contact with Rosetta.

 

[jonesdave116]

hahaha "electric universe uk" writes the following to a tweet by comet interceptor:

We are wondering if copper will be used again this time, given its explosive discharge prior to contact with Rosetta.

As a certain tennis player used to say; "You cannot be serious!"

 

[Sol88]

hahaha "electric universe uk" writes the following to a tweet by comet interceptor:

We are wondering if copper will be used again this time, given its explosive discharge prior to contact with Rosetta.

The plasma physics around a weakly outgassing is only slowly beginning to be understood by the analysis of data from Rosetta RPC and new numerical modelling. This mission has opened a new window in space plasma physics.

also tusenfem.

It was assumed that this was created by a kink-like instability created by the current flowing along the field lines down the tail (see also Ip & Mendis 1975). Later Ershkovich & Heller (1977) also discussed these waves in tails of comets Morehouse (C/1908 R1) and Arend-Roland (C/1965 R1). By modelling the cometary tail as a cylinder they found the dispersion equation for helical oscillations and that the phase velocity was close to the estimated Alfvén velocity. It should be noticed that these waves were observed in the far tail of the comets, for example at distances R > 0.1 AU down the tail for comet Kohoutek, whereas Rosetta did not venture out beyond 1000 km.

How long are comet tails again? Cylinders, helical, and currents! Imagine if counter rotation was also discovered...sound familiar.

 

[Sol88]

Another clue about the validity of the model presented by Deca et al is in the title of the paper;

.....Weakly Outgassing Comet.......

This is for ~ 0.3 l/s, at 4.0 - 4.5 AU. Their previous paper was looking at the comet at ~ 3.0 AU, with an outgassing rate of ~ 3.0 l/s. They do not expect this model to necessarily hold as outgassing increases;

Quote:
As the cometary outgassing activity increases, plasma-neutral collisions will play an increasingly significant role in shaping the ionized cometary environment. Collisions account for two significant processes in the context of mass-loaded plasmas: ion-neutral friction and electron cooling. When the gas production rate is high enough, plasma-neutral collisions eventually carve out a nonmagnetized region near the cometary nucleus. This region is shaped by electron-neutral collisions. Taking into account collisions will be necessary to extend this study for more active comets.

Electron and Ion Dynamics of the Solar Wind Interaction with a Weakly Outgassing Comet
Deca, J. et al. (2017)
https://hal-insu.archives-ouvertes.fr/insu-01541244/document

So what’s the go here?

ABSTRACT doi:10.1093/mnras/sty2869 In a cometary coma, the ion-neutral decoupling distance, sometimes referred to as the ion exobase or collisionopause, can be defined as the cometocentric distance, rin, where ions, initially moving with the neutral outgassing speed, have a probability of 1/e of not colliding with neutrals on their subsequent journey radially outwards. We present an analytical model for calculating this decoupling distance in the presence of a static radial electric field. We show that for a logarithmically decaying potential, the value of rin can even decrease to ∼15 percent of its field-free case value. Moreover, already at this distance, the effective ion speed can be expected to markedly exceed the neutral expansion velocity. These analytical results are in line with previous numerical calculations, adapting similar but not identical field profiles.

The presence of a non-negligible ambipolar electric field and limited importance of ion-neutral collisional coupling are further supported by observations in the diamagnetic cavity of comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko by plasma instruments onboard Rosetta that reveal ion speeds several times higher than the neutral expansion velocity.

On the ion-neutral coupling in cometary comae Erik Vigren and Anders I. Eriksson

Deca or Vigren?

 

[jonesdave116]

So what’s the go here?



On the ion-neutral coupling in cometary comae Erik Vigren and Anders I. Eriksson

Deca or Vigren?

What are you talking about now? Care to explain? With some actual science?