Skeptic Ginger
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No. I voted for Bill Clinton and Obama without thinking that.
In hindsight, Bill's behavior might have made it the lesser of two evils.
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2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker - Part II
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No. I voted for Bill Clinton and Obama without thinking that.
In hindsight, Bill's behavior might have made it the lesser of two evils.
acbytesla
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I never ever cast a vote for President thinking that way. They may have not been my first choice, but I never thought them as evil at the time of voting. I thought Bill slept around, but I could care less about that.
I get what you mean in hindsight. I also did not agree with many of his actually very conservative policies like his drug laws, don't ask, don't tell, getting rid of Glass Steagal.
angrysoba
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Oh yes! Wow, those founders really thought of everything l! (That’s a joke!)
Why don’t people get this? I mean, I have known this since what you call high school, but everyone else has seen at least two good examples in recent history of the electoral college and popular vote going different ways. They should have worked it out by now.
acbytesla
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Good one!I mean sure, informed people get it. Someone who took and wasn't sleeping during Civics class gets it. But my experience is most people understand that there are electoral votes, they don't know the process.
angrysoba
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Beto has dropped out!!!!
Skeptic Ginger
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Good. Can he run for the Senate or the House?
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Great. And Harris is pulling everything to Iowa, which she will lose and then she can drop out.
dudalb
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I suspect that running against Comyn is something he has in mind.....
On the other hand, I think he is a definant VEEP possibility.
theprestige
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Roberto O'Rourke is just the thing.
shemp
a flimsy character...perfidious and despised
NOOOOOO!!!!!! My life is ruined!!! And now who's going to convince the gun owners that they should peacefully give up their guns?
Craig4
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Unless Mayor Pete knocks it out of the park tonight, can we just go with Biden? Let's not risk four more years of the Stupid Bitch in Chief unless there's an heir apparent to Obama who comes out of this dinner. Let's not forget the main goal here. Biden is three points ahead of Trump in ******* Texas. Eyes on the prize people. Let's not risk four more years on Medicare for all.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/tx/texas_trump_vs_biden-6818.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/tx/texas_trump_vs_biden-6818.html
Skeptic Ginger
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Some of us see it differently, don't risk 4 more years of Trump on old uninspiring creepy Joe. The numbers in your link look depressing.
I would go for a third choice at the moment if one emerges. But if not, I'd vote Warren over Biden.
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acbytesla
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It's a mistake to look at a poll today and believe that has any relevance to what a poll would look like a year from now. Joe was leading in Iowa by 10 points just a few months ago. Latest poll there has him in 4th place.
Craig4
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But would an independent voter in the general election?
Craig4
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4th place among whom, likely democratic caucus goers? Who cares. How do they fair against Trump in a general election? That's the only poll that counts.
Distracted1
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I was feeling that way for a while too. If it meant the greatest chance of defeating Trump, I would be happy to have Biden as a "generic Democrat" President to act as a rubber stamp for the Dems in Congress and to appoint liberal Justices to the Supreme Court.
I am lately having serious doubts about Bidens' ability to complete the race, however.
I think his age may catch up to him too quickly to make it to the finish line ( which is all we really need him to do ).
Buttigieg has been presenting himself as a reasonable proxy for Biden, yet I have concerns about his chances after the hypothetical big kiss he would be planting on his husbands' mouth on stage at the convention after winning the nomination.
Ironically, that brings me "down" to the candidate that I actually prefer for POTUS- Warren.
Not a lot surprises me anymore. I can imagine a scenario where Biden sinks like a stone. That may already be underway actually.
I've been sort of hoping that would happen, and that
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We don't know yet.
Biden is on PBS right now giving the standard Democratic Platform and claiming (of course) that's he's the only one who can blah blah blah blah...
He claims Warren is making the healthcare numbers up, then he goes on to make his own numbers up as if it's a different thing.
As this gets closer to voting, Biden is going to be attacking Warren and pretending Bernie's OK if Bernie isn't a threat at that point.
Gag, he has his hands on a young girl's shoulders again. He looks like he's about to kiss her hair.
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Venom
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Beto isn't running for Senate either.
Looks like the campaign against Cruz took the wind out of him a little.
Looks like the campaign against Cruz took the wind out of him a little.
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