Rep. Katie Hill announces resignation

[Donal]

Of course it is...but people don't mind their own business which is my point!

So shame the perverts trafficking the revenge porn. Why do you consistently put the blame on the woman who was enjoying sex?

No, it's not used against women 'because we just need to know what is going on between consenting adults'; it's used as a weapon to hurt and destroy both men and women for either personal (revenge) or political reasons.

There's no video of Duncan Hunter being passed around. And we have been able to establish he has done the same thing to a far worse degree without photographic or video evidence.

Hulk Hogan didn't suffer anything when Gawker released his video. Rob Lowe was filmed having sex with a minor and it didn't even slow his career down.

That's obvious...which is why it's not a smart choice to record our private sexual activities especially if you're a politician.

Or, you can stop being a tool for people using revenge porn as a weapon.

 

[fishbob]

Would anyone be calling for Hill's resignation if it were just revenge porn images released? Her scandal is limited largely to the inappropriate relationship she was having with her subordinate. Had the story run only with the text messages and the allegation of the inappropriate relationship, then the scandal would have a much more damning narrative

To be honest, the revenge porn is only making her seem more sympathetic as a victim of a form of sexual crime. If it weren't for the inappropriateness of the relationship itself, I would see no reason why a grown woman should be ashamed having a private sexual life.

The brewing story is that the NRCC had advance knowledge of the photos and may have facilitated the publishing of the story. Given that revenge porn is a crime in California, this may involve a criminal conspiracy.

Noted loose-lipped idiot George Papadopoulos was tweeting “California’s 25th congressional district looks like it’s for the taking” the day before the story ran, which means he knew of the story in advance.

This is going to be the really interesting part.

 

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Of course it is...but people don't mind their own business which is my point!

So shame the perverts trafficking the revenge porn. Why do you consistently put the blame on the woman who was enjoying sex?

I'm beginning to think you have a reading comprehension problem. It's about the only thing that would explain your continued misrepresentation of what I've said. I have NEVER blamed the person 'who was enjoying sex'. What I have said, and try reading this very slowly, is: Making a sex tape is not a smart thing to do in this day of revenge porn and use as a political weapon.

Originally Posted by Stacyhs
No, it's not used against women 'because we just need to know what is going on between consenting adults'; it's used as a weapon to hurt and destroy both men and women for either personal (revenge) or political reasons.

There's no video of Duncan Hunter being passed around. And we have been able to establish he has done the same thing to a far worse degree without photographic or video evidence.

Hulk Hogan didn't suffer anything when Gawker released his video. Rob Lowe was filmed having sex with a minor and it didn't even slow his career down.

So? That in some way diminishes the fact that video and pics ARE being published of others as revenge porn and as a political tactic?

Quote: Originally Posted by Stacyhs
That's obvious...which is why it's not a smart choice to record our private sexual activities especially if you're a politician.

Or, you can stop being a tool for people using revenge porn as a weapon.

And you can stop misrepresenting what I say. Take a few reading comprehension courses and save yourself a lot of unnecessary upset.

 

[Brainster]

So shame the perverts trafficking the revenge porn. Why do you consistently put the blame on the woman who was enjoying sex?

Go right ahead and shame her 22-year-old staffer and her husband for the revenge porn if you want to (or the Daily Mail, which published the really racy stuff).

But I'm with Stacy on this. If you have any kind of personal fame and you put yourself naked in front of a camera, you should expect that picture will eventually be published on the internet, whether you want it to be or not.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Ah yes the "If you wanted a private life you shouldn't have become famous" argument.

Right up there with the "I'm not judging you... I'm just judging the fact that you don't live your life based on the fact that other people are going to judge you in a way that is functionally indistinguishable from just being the one judging you" argument.

 

[theprestige]

Ah yes the "If you wanted a private life you shouldn't have become famous" argument.

You know this argument actually exists in law, right? That celebrities do not in fact have the same right to privacy, nor the same remedies in law, as non-celebrities? Like the concept of due diligence, this should not be hard to understand. What is nature of your concern?

 

[JoeMorgue]

You know this argument actually exists in law, right

So does revenge porn and distributing explicit images being illegal, but I'm sure you'll demand a "civil discussion" about whatever contrarian reason you've made up why that doesn't matter.

 

[dudalb]

Making a sex tape is not a smart thing to do in this day of revenge porn and use as a political weapon.

This. it's a dumb thing to do. If you are famous, there is a excellent change someone will find a way to hack into your computer and get it
That is just a fact of life.
I note that for a page devoted supposedely to rational thinking, how many people can't distinguish between stating a fact and approval of that fact.

 

[theprestige]

So does revenge porn and distributing explicit images being illegal, but I'm sure you'll demand a "civil discussion" about whatever contrarian reason you've made up why that doesn't matter.

My position is that both of those things matter. Why do you think due diligence and negligence don't matter?

 

[Brainster]

So does revenge porn and distributing explicit images being illegal, but I'm sure you'll demand a "civil discussion" about whatever contrarian reason you've made up why that doesn't matter.

If revenge porn is illegal (I highly doubt distributing explicit images is illegal), then I'm happy to let the authorities prosecute.

 

[Donal]

Go right ahead and shame her 22-year-old staffer and her husband for the revenge porn if you want to (or the Daily Mail, which published the really racy stuff).

The evidence is that the husband released it, so you're goddamned right we should shaming him. And him, the Daily Mail, Red state, the RNCC, and anyone else who helped traffic this should be facing jail time and/or back breaking lawsuits.

But I'm with Stacy on this. If you have any kind of personal fame and you put yourself naked in front of a camera, you should expect that picture will eventually be published on the internet, whether you want it to be or not.

Do you blame rape victims for wearing short skirts? Maybe for walking down the wrong alley?

 

[Brainster]

Ah yes the "If you wanted a private life you shouldn't have become famous" argument.

Right up there with the "I'm not judging you... I'm just judging the fact that you don't live your life based on the fact that other people are going to judge you in a way that is functionally indistinguishable from just being the one judging you" argument.

I don't know about you, but I live in the real world. I got over the fact that life isn't fair a long time ago.

 

[Brainster]

The evidence is that the husband released it, so you're goddamned right we should shaming him. And him, the Daily Mail, Red state, the RNCC, and anyone else who helped traffic this should be facing jail time and/or back breaking lawsuits.

Don't let me stop you.

Do you blame rape victims for wearing short skirts? Maybe for walking down the wrong alley?

Do you think women should walk down wrong alleys as a habit? Is it a good idea?

 

[theprestige]

Maybe for walking down the wrong alley?

To be fair, "the wrong alley" is a general case, not just for rape.

"Don't go to that part of town after dark. You'll get mugged for sure , or worse."

[The Next Day]

"My god! What happened to you?"

"I went to that part of town last night. They mugged me and beat me up. I lost three teeth and I'm pretty sure one of my ribs is cracked."

"What were you thinking?"

"Don't blame me! It was their choice to assault me! I'm just the victim here!"

"Fine, let's just get you to a hospital. Idiot."

 

[theprestige]

The real problem with victim-blaming in rape cases is that it's a case of someone doing sensible stuff that everybody does, without any cause to worry that they're inviting rape. Afterwards, they're second-guessing themselves and wondering if they did anything to cause it. And then ******** say, "well, if you hadn't smiled at him", or "if you hadn't been so attractive" or whatever. When the truth is, no one should ever have to blame themselves for being friendly in a bar, or looking good at the office.

 

[dudalb]

The evidence is that the husband released it, so you're goddamned right we should shaming him. And him, the Daily Mail, Red state, the RNCC, and anyone else who helped traffic this should be facing jail time and/or back breaking lawsuits.



Do you blame rape victims for wearing short skirts? Maybe for walking down the wrong alley?

Something might not be morally wrong but still be very stupid...something you just don't seem able to get.

 

[Stacyhs]

Go right ahead and shame her 22-year-old staffer and her husband for the revenge porn if you want to (or the Daily Mail, which published the really racy stuff).

But I'm with Stacy on this. If you have any kind of personal fame and you put yourself naked in front of a camera, you should expect that picture will eventually be published on the internet, whether you want it to be or not.

Ah yes the "If you wanted a private life you shouldn't have become famous" argument.

Right up there with the "I'm not judging you... I'm just judging the fact that you don't live your life based on the fact that other people are going to judge you in a way that is functionally indistinguishable from just being the one judging you" argument.

Wow. More reading comprehension problems. That is not even close to what Brainster said. Let me break this down:

Brainster's post summarized: As a person in the public eye ("any kind of personal fame"), don't be surprised if your naked pictures make their way to the public because people can be arses and do bad things as many, many such cases have demonstrated.

 

[Stacyhs]

This. it's a dumb thing to do. If you are famous, there is a excellent change someone will find a way to hack into your computer and get it
That is just a fact of life.
I note that for a page devoted supposedely to rational thinking, how many people can't distinguish between stating a fact and approval of that fact.

Thank goodness some people were paying attention during Reading for Comprehension classes in school.

 

[Stacyhs]

The evidence is that the husband released it, so you're goddamned right we should shaming him. And him, the Daily Mail, Red state, the RNCC, and anyone else who helped traffic this should be facing jail time and/or back breaking lawsuits.

On this we agree.

Do you blame rape victims for wearing short skirts? Maybe for walking down the wrong alley?

Blame them? No. But do you think it was a smart decision by the woman to walk down a dark alley alone at night in a bad neighborhood?

When I was about 22, I walked to my car alone where I'd parked on street late at night after leaving a club. No street lamps, etc. Some guy jumped into my car as I got in and tried to stuff a rag into my mouth. Luckily, I was able to fight him off and the worst I suffered was a black eye he gave me as a parting shot. Do I blame myself for this jack***'s assaulting me? No. But I learned a lesson: never again did I put myself in that position. I always had someone walk me to my car at night. That was the SMART thing to do.

Learn the difference between blaming the victim and recognizing we need to make smart decisions in order to help protect ourselves. And NOT making sex videos is one of those smart decisions.

 

[Bob001]

....
When I was about 22, I walked to my car alone where I'd parked on street late at night after leaving a club. No street lamps, etc. Some guy jumped into my car as I got in and tried to stuff a rag into my mouth. Luckily, I was able to fight him off and the worst I suffered was a black eye he gave me as a parting shot. Do I blame myself for this jack***'s assaulting me? No. But I learned a lesson: never again did I put myself in that position. I always had someone walk me to my car at night. That was the SMART thing to do.
....

Question, if it's okay: Did you call the cops? What was the outcome? I'm not being critical here, but I've always felt that women who choose not to report assaults -- especially by strangers, as opposed to situations that could be reduced to "he said, she said" -- are putting other women at risk. What you're describing could have gone much worse, and it might well have turned out much worse for the guy's next target if he wasn't caught.