Rep. Katie Hill announces resignation

[theprestige]

Or they're just ignorant.

I'm sure some of them are. But I think you're oversimplifying.

 

[Brainster]

The answer is : **** you, they are consenting adults in their own bedroom. It is none of our business what kink any of them are into, so long as everyone was a willing participant.*


*the fact that one of the participants was a staffer is problematic in another way, but that has nothing to do with the revenge porn.

The House of Representatives apparently passed new rules of conduct, prohibiting sexual relationships with staffers. And according to this article, it wasn't the past "throuple" relationship that led Pelosi to demand her resignation:

Radio host Joe Messina reported on his Monday program “The Real Side,” that Hill’s resignation was demanded by Pelosi after the speaker learned that staffers in Hill’s office confirmed her affair with Legislative Director Graham Kelly. The staffers reportedly acknowledged the affair to the House Ethics Committee, which opened an investigation into the allegations.

 

[angrysoba]

Having sex with an employee is problematic because of power imbalances like a professor having sex with a student. So improper and if pursued in certain ways illegal(see sexual harassment). But not as fundamentally wrong in all instances as revenge porn.

Sex with an employee is potentially wrong for the reasons you give, but not intrinsically wrong, imho.

 

[Trebuchet]

If only she was a male Republican! She could be on the Supreme Court!

 

[Stacyhs]

Eh. I don't believe hers is a Nazi symbol. But I bet there are a lot of neo Nazis who display it without the swastika.

Could be because neo-Nazis don't generally tend to be well-educated, intelligent people.

More likely because iconography doesn't hew to a rigid formal taxonomy.

Or they're just ignorant.

I'm sure some of them are. But I think you're oversimplifying.

Nope. I don't think it's 'over-simplifying' it when I say neo-Nazis don't generally tend to be well-educated, intelligent people and that they're ignorant. Or do you want to claim that, generally, neo-Nazis are well-educated, intelligent and informed?

 

[Stacyhs]

The answer is : **** you, they are consenting adults in their own bedroom. It is none of our business what kink any of them are into, so long as everyone was a willing participant.*


*the fact that one of the participants was a staffer is problematic in another way, but that has nothing to do with the revenge porn.

I don't think anyone here, and certainly not I, is claiming what two (or more) consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms is the problem. I couldn't care less what people do as long as it's consensual. But taking pics or video of sexual interactions is not a very smart thing to do, especially if one has political aspirations. History has shown us very clearly how they can be, and are, used against a person by people like angry exes, political opponents and just plain jerks who want to make money one them.

 

[angrysoba]

I don't think anyone here, and certainly not I, is claiming what two (or more) consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms is the problem. I couldn't care less what people do as long as it's consensual. But taking pics or video of sexual interactions is not a very smart thing to do, especially if one has political aspirations. History has shown us very clearly how they can be, and are, used against a person by people like angry exes, political opponents and just plain jerks who want to make money one them.

I think you may as well claim that people should stop having sex. What if one of your exes goes on reddit and describes all your sexual proclivities in the most minute detail?

I think it won’t be that long before people will have secretly recorded video of them taking a dump and posted on the internet to “discredit” them.

The thing that the rest of us should do is not buy into it. Don’t seek out sex videos or nude pictures of people that have been leaked. To do so is, in my opinion, no different to peering into a hole cut in the ladies changing room that someone else has made.

This whole story is pretty much a case of slut-shaming.

 

[Stacyhs]

I think you may as well claim that people should stop having sex. What if one of your exes goes on reddit and describes all your sexual proclivities in the most minute detail?

I think it won’t be that long before people will have secretly recorded video of them taking a dump and posted on the internet to “discredit” them.

The thing that the rest of us should do is not buy into it. Don’t seek out sex videos or nude pictures of people that have been leaked. To do so is, in my opinion, no different to peering into a hole cut in the ladies changing room that someone else has made.

This whole story is pretty much a case of slut-shaming.

That I may as well claim people should stop having sex is about as far a stretch from my point as you could make.

What I said is that taking pics or videos of it is not a very smart thing to do. How many more cases of these things being released to the public via the internet/tabloids does someone need to see before they can figure that out?

I'm not slut shaming her at all. I don't care that she had a ménage à trois. I'm saying that it's a bad idea for ANYBODY to take pictures or video of their sexual encounters because they can be used against them in order to slut shame them. There is case after case after case of this happening is. Why people don't learn this is beyond me.

 

[angrysoba]

What I said is that taking pics or videos of it is not a very smart thing to do.

But maybe you want to see video or pictures of you naked or having sex.

 

[Stacyhs]

But maybe you want to see video or pictures of you naked or having sex.

Oh, good lord. What we may WANT and what is a SMART CHOICE can be two completely different things. I WANT to walk up to Trump and kick him in his ass but I know it's a SMART CHOICE not to because the possible consequences are not worth doing what I WANT.

Stop trying to justify bad choices.

 

[angrysoba]

Oh, good lord. What we may WANT and what is a SMART CHOICE can be two completely different things. I WANT to walk up to Trump and kick him in his ass but I know it's a SMART CHOICE not to because the possible consequences are not worth doing what I WANT.

Stop trying to justify bad choices.

The fact that some ******* might decide to release those pictures doesn’t mean that people should be castigates for it. If you want to pose for nude pics that you believe only you and your significant other(s) will see because you enjoy it then I think you are likely to weigh up the risks and rewards and come to your own conclusions. Just because you and others have heard revenge porn stories is not sufficient to say it is at all times a stupid thing to do just as we don’t hear stories of people drowning at the seaside or hear of car accidents and argue that people should never go to the beach or drive a car.

The idea that you have only yourself to blame if private photos go public is just transferring blame from where it belongs to the victim.

 

[JoeMorgue]

If someone voluntarily gives you explicit pictures of themselves with the agreement (either explicit or implicit) that you not show anyone else and you do that's morally equivalent to taking the pictures without their consent and distributing them and it's victim blaming, 100%, to suggest otherwise.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Oh, good lord. What we may WANT and what is a SMART CHOICE can be two completely different things. I WANT to walk up to Trump and kick him in his ass but I know it's a SMART CHOICE not to because the possible consequences are not worth doing what I WANT.

Stop trying to justify bad choices.

FWIW, I agree with your argument.

 

[Stacyhs]

The fact that some ******* might decide to release those pictures doesn’t mean that people should be castigates for it. If you want to pose for nude pics that you believe only you and your significant other(s) will see because you enjoy it then I think you are likely to weigh up the risks and rewards and come to your own conclusions. Just because you and others have heard revenge porn stories is not sufficient to say it is at all times a stupid thing to do just as we don’t hear stories of people drowning at the seaside or hear of car accidents and argue that people should never go to the beach or drive a car.

The idea that you have only yourself to blame if private photos go public is just transferring blame from where it belongs to the victim.

Oh, good lord 2. Did I SAY anyone should be castigated for it? I said it's not a very intelligent thing to do. Or do you think taking pics/videos of you sexual activities is a SMART thing to do given the age of the internet, smart phones, and hacking? How about asking Hill if she'd do it again now? Or John Edwards. Anthony Weiner, Chris Lee. Or maybe Paris Hilton, Hulk Hogan, Verne Troyer, Usher, Colin Farrell, Pamela Anderson, Rob Lowe, Tom Sizemore etc.

Stop misrepresenting what I said. I never said a person has only him/herself to blame if they go public. But if they DO, it's the person who chose to make them in the first place who is going to suffer the consequences. Just as I wouldn't blame myself and not the attacker if I got assaulted, I don't leave my doors unlocked. I don't walk down a dark alley at night in a dodgy part of town. I don't choose to deliberately cut someone off on the freeway.

If you choose to make a sex video or take pictures of it, then you had better be prepared for the consequences if they get out. It was YOUR decision. That does not in any way take blame off the jerk who puts them out in the public.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Sex with an employee is potentially wrong for the reasons you give, but not intrinsically wrong, imho.

I would agree, though it seems the House passed rules against it in all cases.

 

[Donal]

Oh, good lord. What we may WANT and what is a SMART CHOICE can be two completely different things. I WANT to walk up to Trump and kick him in his ass but I know it's a SMART CHOICE not to because the possible consequences are not worth doing what I WANT.

Stop trying to justify bad choices.

You know what is smart? Minding your own ******* business. This stuff is used to ruin women's careers because we just need to know what is going on between consenting adults.

Of course, none of us would like our own private moments trafficked by a national political party.

 

[applecorped]

If someone voluntarily gives you explicit pictures of themselves with the agreement (either explicit or implicit) that you not show anyone else and you do that's morally equivalent to taking the pictures without their consent and distributing them and it's victim blaming, 100%, to suggest otherwise.

 

[theprestige]

If someone voluntarily gives you explicit pictures of themselves with the agreement (either explicit or implicit) that you not show anyone else and you do that's morally equivalent to taking the pictures without their consent and distributing them and it's victim blaming, 100%, to suggest otherwise.

Some scenarios, there's enough blame to go around. Everybody from insurance companies, to OSHA; to private security; to everyone who deals with criminal negligence, due diligence, or fiduciary responsibility understands this.

People can create or contribute to conditions that put them at risk. Their own choices about risk mitigation aren't excused simply because the risk also depends on the choices of others, to manifest.

A bank can't tell its investors that the millions in deposits that are missing from the janitor's closet aren't the bank's fault, because the janitor chose to steal that money. No, the bank is liable for not properly securing the money. And the investors bear some blame themselves, for not doing their own due diligence.

Victim blaming is a thing, because sometimes the victim shares some of the blame.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Would anyone be calling for Hill's resignation if it were just revenge porn images released? Her scandal is limited largely to the inappropriate relationship she was having with her subordinate. Had the story run only with the text messages and the allegation of the inappropriate relationship, then the scandal would have a much more damning narrative

To be honest, the revenge porn is only making her seem more sympathetic as a victim of a form of sexual crime. If it weren't for the inappropriateness of the relationship itself, I would see no reason why a grown woman should be ashamed having a private sexual life.

The brewing story is that the NRCC had advance knowledge of the photos and may have facilitated the publishing of the story. Given that revenge porn is a crime in California, this may involve a criminal conspiracy.

Noted loose-lipped idiot George Papadopoulos was tweeting “California’s 25th congressional district looks like it’s for the taking” the day before the story ran, which means he knew of the story in advance.

 

[Stacyhs]

You know what is smart? Minding your own ******* business. This stuff is used to ruin women's careers because we just need to know what is going on between consenting adults.

Of course it is...but people don't mind their own business which is my point!

No, it's not used against women 'because we just need to know what is going on between consenting adults'; it's used as a weapon to hurt and destroy both men and women for either personal (revenge) or political reasons.

Of course, none of us would like our own private moments trafficked by a national political party.

That's obvious...which is why it's not a smart choice to record our private sexual activities especially if you're a politician.