Cont: Brexit: Now What? 9 Below Zero

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

MP's will not pass a bad deal.

It really looks like they might. I've posted a couple of analyses of the figures upthread.

 

[Vixen]

It really looks like they might. I've posted a couple of analyses of the figures upthread.

They might pass it for now but by the time it's gone through amendment after amendment the Bill may not pass at all. The manufacturing industries need much more than fourteen months transition cover, as Sir Keir Starmer explained.

 

[Garrison]

They might pass it for now but by the time it's gone through amendment after amendment the Bill may not pass at all. The manufacturing industries need much more than fourteen months transition cover, as Sir Keir Starmer explained.

The amendments are probably the key here, if they close off the option of a no deal Brexit BoJo's backers won't be happy.

 

[Francesca R]

Don't believe the Tory tabloids.

I haven't seen any. Paddy Power and Ladbrokes convey some information. So did (I think) a DUP MP pm the telly yesterday in the commons lobby predicting some of Labour would defect and vote for it (which was certainly not in the fellow's interest to say)

 

[Francesca R]

It really looks like they might. I've posted a couple of analyses of the figures upthread.

Of course they might, since every deal is a bad deal depending on perspective

 

[jimbob]

So Johnson has lost the DUP for nothing

 

[jimbob]

I think he is breaking the law personally.

The Act requires him to seek an extension. By doing it as he has done it he is clearly not looking to seek an extension, but rather simply looking to thwart the intent of the Act while still following the letter of it.

I believe the courts already indicated that sending a second letter would be contrary to the law.

The signature is possibly a bit of a red herring. If an unsigned letter carries the same legal weight as a signed one then he has probably complied with the law in that respect although again one could argue that by not signing it he was demonstrating that he was not genuinely seeking an extension.

It's just an incredibly childish Trump-esque response but not one that should be surprising.

Yes, I was thinking along these lines.

He's trying to frustrate the Benn act, but the basty EU won't let him. It would be amusing if someone manages to make a charge stick for something that failed.

 

[ohms]

Looks like it could be another interesting week in Parliament:

Plan is to bring MV back tomorrow. Think almost certain not to happen as Speaker will rule out of order as (i) same issue twice (ii) contradicts Letwin amendment which says Brexit related legislation must be agreed first.

More here:

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1185989844281020418

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Looks like it could be another interesting week in Parliament:



More here:

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1185989844281020418

I'm not sure what this MV would be meant to achieve to be honest. Is it just an attempt to be able to revoke the request for an extension?

 

[llwyd]

A strange spectacle. The UK had actually a good situation: not in the madness called the euro, but having an important and influential say in the world's biggest trading bloc. Well, then, if they must get out, at least they would surely stay in the trading area and customs union. But no - they think they will get better deals in global trading by being a midsized single country than part of a huge trading bloc. Good luck.

And starting with negotiating a free trade deal with the EU - in every other thing pretty much a disunited mess, but in trade negotiations tough as nails. And that's basically true of any trade negotiations, there is not a country in the world that will give up freebies in trade just out of the goodness of their hearts, it will be quid pro quo.

Well, the option then would try to be a Singapore (well without the good education and high level infrastructure), having minimal business taxes, minimal regulations alongside that is with current British welfare structures and traditions of fairness and collective action. Good luck with that combination too.

Brexit, now that it finally is likely to happen, will be an interesting spectacle and rather a steep learning experience for many if not most of its current supporters.

 

[Garrison]

A strange spectacle. The UK had actually a good situation: not in the madness called the euro, but having an important and influential say in the world's biggest trading bloc. Well, then, if they must get out, at least they would surely stay in the trading area and customs union. But no - they think they will get better deals in global trading by being a midsized single country than part of a huge trading bloc. Good luck.

And starting with negotiating a free trade deal with the EU - in every other thing pretty much a disunited mess, but in trade negotiations tough as nails. And that's basically true of any trade negotiations, there is not a country in the world that will give up freebies in trade just out of the goodness of their hearts, it will be quid pro quo.

Well, the option then would try to be a Singapore (well without the good education and high level infrastructure), having minimal business taxes, minimal regulations alongside that is with current British welfare structures and traditions of fairness and collective action. Good luck with that combination too.

Brexit, now that it finally is likely to happen, will be an interesting spectacle and rather a steep learning experience for many if not most of its current supporters.

Oh they won't learn, they will just blame the EU and Remainers for everything that goes wrong, responsibility is another of those things Brexiteers don't do.

 

[ohms]

I'm not sure what this MV would be meant to achieve to be honest. Is it just an attempt to be able to revoke the request for an extension?

No, the Government has to give Parliament a meaningful vote on a deal with the EU (Section 13 of the EU Withdrawal Act), which was supposed to happen on Saturday. It doesn't seem like that will be allowed to go before Parliament again so it looks like the only route to get a deal through is via the Withdrawal Agreement Bill, which will see all sorts of amendments put forward (a customs union amendment is looking like it might have support).

 

[p0lka]

Bit daft to accidentally get a deal from Brussels then. What a buffoon.

Or--your opinion does not stack against the evidence.

I think --your opinion that their opinion does not stack against the evidence is absurd.

Our prime minister is definitely aiming for a no-deal, go check the evidence.

 

[Hungry81]

A strange spectacle. The UK had actually a good situation: not in the madness called the euro, but having an important and influential say in the world's biggest trading bloc. Well, then, if they must get out, at least they would surely stay in the trading area and customs union. But no - they think they will get better deals in global trading by being a midsized single country than part of a huge trading bloc. Good luck.

And starting with negotiating a free trade deal with the EU - in every other thing pretty much a disunited mess, but in trade negotiations tough as nails. And that's basically true of any trade negotiations, there is not a country in the world that will give up freebies in trade just out of the goodness of their hearts, it will be quid pro quo.

Well, the option then would try to be a Singapore (well without the good education and high level infrastructure), having minimal business taxes, minimal regulations alongside that is with current British welfare structures and traditions of fairness and collective action. Good luck with that combination too.

Brexit, now that it finally is likely to happen, will be an interesting spectacle and rather a steep learning experience for many if not most of its current supporters.

You think bexiters will learn anything? No they will just keep assigning blame with everyone else but themselves as things continue to go belly up.
Eta: What Garrison said.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

No, the Government has to give Parliament a meaningful vote on a deal with the EU (Section 13 of the EU Withdrawal Act), which was supposed to happen on Saturday. It doesn't seem like that will be allowed to go before Parliament again so it looks like the only route to get a deal through is via the Withdrawal Agreement Bill, which will see all sorts of amendments put forward (a customs union amendment is looking like it might have support).

The motion on Saturday passed.

What is another vote going to achieve other than try to pass something to reset the Benn Act?

It seems likely the speaker isn't going to allow it because its simply presenting the same thing to the house again.

 

[quadraginta]

Failing to sign the letter shows what a rude and arrogant boor he is.

That isn't going to come as much of a revelation to anyone. Probably not even his supporters.

In their case it is likely considered a feature, not a bug.

 

[quadraginta]

Yes, I was thinking along these lines.

He's trying to frustrate the Benn act, but the basty EU won't let him. It would be amusing if someone manages to make a charge stick for something that failed.

Attempted crimes are still crimes. The question is, was it a crime?

I kinda hope so.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Attempted crimes are still crimes. The question is, was it a crime?

I kinda hope so.

It depends on what you see as the intent of his actions.

A court may see it as political theatre and therefore ignore it, or may see it as an attempt to thwart the Act.

My sense is that the effort was so pathetic it would be a push to call it a crime. Like trying to rob a bank with a banana

 

[Vixen]

It depends on what you see as the intent of his actions.

A court may see it as political theatre and therefore ignore it, or may see it as an attempt to thwart the Act.

My sense is that the effort was so pathetic it would be a push to call it a crime. Like trying to rob a bank with a banana

Boris is above the law. Rules and protocol do not apply to him.


Hello hurray, what a nice day, Eton rifles ~ Jam

 

[McHrozni]

My sense is that the effort was so pathetic it would be a push to call it a crime. Like trying to rob a bank with a banana

Please remember John Cleese is a Brexiteer.

You may want to pick another refference.

McHrozni