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The Trump Presidency: Part 17

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Skeptic Ginger said:
I don't think there ever was a vote. Maybe a few polls.
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All I can find in 10 minutes of Googling is this, from Wikipedia:

“Various people and groups assert that U.S. president Donald Trump has engaged in impeachable activity both before and during his presidency,[1][2] and talk of impeachment began before he took office.[3][4] Formal efforts were initiated by representatives Al Green and Brad Sherman, both Democrats, in 2017, the first year of his presidency.”

Probably what I was thinking of. But no vote is mentioned, so my impression that there was one is quite possibly wrong.
 
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alfaniner said:
With Mulvaney's revelation about QPQ at the press conference,
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And said that there is a tape, apparently?

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I caught that when I heard the press conference and I've wondered why more hasn't been made about it in the mainstream press.

Especially after all the talk about how nothing was taped, only transcripts and notes by other people listening to the conversation. Isn't that why all we got was a "summary"?

Didn't someone once say, "Lordy, I hope there are tapes."?

Me too.
 
Darat said:
Believes it when? I'm sure if someone was to ask him about a sentence he just finished he would get that blank constipated expression on his face and be unable to recall what he said.

I don't think he believes in anything.
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Or he believes anything, but only for as long as he remembers he’s said it.
 
quadraginta said:
I caught that when I heard the press conference and I've wondered why more hasn't been made about it in the mainstream press.

Especially after all the talk about how nothing was taped, only transcripts and notes by other people listening to the conversation. Isn't that why all we got was a "summary"?

Didn't someone once say, "Lordy, I hope there are tapes."?

Me too.
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Of course there are frikkin' tapes! There will be a full digital recording of this, in MP3 format complete with every umm, aah, crackle, sniffle and grunt. That's what is on the sooper-seekrit server. And multiple copies as well. Then there will be another shorter version that has all the extraneous stuff like dial-tones, scratches and silence edited out. And it was from this that the printed transcript was made.

Dear lord, does Trump think they still use reel-to-reel tape like in the olde-tyme spy movies??
 
If a recording wasn't made at the US end then you can guarantee one was made at the other end.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
All I can find in 10 minutes of Googling is this, from Wikipedia:

“Various people and groups assert that U.S. president Donald Trump has engaged in impeachable activity both before and during his presidency,[1][2] and talk of impeachment began before he took office.[3][4] Formal efforts were initiated by representatives Al Green and Brad Sherman, both Democrats, in 2017, the first year of his presidency.”

Probably what I was thinking of. But no vote is mentioned, so my impression that there was one is quite possibly wrong.
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But you checked, albeit belatedly. That's more effort than one expects from official statements by the President.
 
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quadraginta said:
I caught that when I heard the press conference and I've wondered why more hasn't been made about it in the mainstream press.

Especially after all the talk about how nothing was taped, only transcripts and notes by other people listening to the conversation. Isn't that why all we got was a "summary"?

Didn't someone once say, "Lordy, I hope there are tapes."?

Me too.
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It could be significant or a mistaken choice of words. I'd like to know, but I doubt we ever will.

I can imagine a simple mistake, due to the association of the word transcript (in "rough transcript") and recordings.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Of course there are frikkin' tapes! There will be a full digital recording of this, in MP3 format complete with every umm, aah, crackle, sniffle and grunt. That's what is on the sooper-seekrit server. And multiple copies as well. Then there will be another shorter version that has all the extraneous stuff like dial-tones, scratches and silence edited out. And it was from this that the printed transcript was made.
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There were statements made in some reports that no recordings of such Presidential call are made, and haven't been since the Nixon era. It isn't perfectly clear how reliable that statement is.

Dear lord, does Trump think they still use reel-to-reel tape like in the olde-tyme spy movies??
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The word "tape" as a verb has become generic for "to record", much like "dialing" a telephone has become generic for "entering numbers to make a call".

Although I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Trump is just as unaware of the technology changes as you describe.
 
Trump has called the Secretary of Defense "Mark Esperanto" in a tweet about the ceasefire and oil.

What a goob!
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

I thought I was doing something very good for our Country by using Trump National Doral, in Miami, for hosting the G-7 Leaders. It is big, grand, on hundreds of acres, next to MIAMI INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, has tremendous ballrooms & meeting rooms, and each delegation would have...

.....its own 50 to 70 unit building. Would set up better than other alternatives. I announced that I would be willing to do it at NO PROFIT or, if legally permissible, at ZERO COST to the USA. But, as usual, the Hostile Media & their Democrat Partners went CRAZY!

....Therefore, based on both Media & Democrat Crazed and Irrational Hostility, we will no longer consider Trump National Doral, Miami, as the Host Site for the G-7 in 2020. We will begin the search for another site, including the possibility of Camp David, immediately. Thank you!
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Wait a minute... Mulvaney already said they had a list - why do they need to begin a search?

On Thursday, Mulvaney said, “We sat around one night. We were back in the dining room and I was going over it with a couple of our advance team. We had the list, and he goes, 'What about Doral?' And it was like, 'That's not the craziest idea. It makes perfect sense.'
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Captain_Swoop said:
Trump has called the Secretary of Defense "Mark Esperanto" in a tweet about the ceasefire and oil.

What a goob!
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Incredibly, still up 40 minutes later!

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quadraginta said:
There were statements made in some reports that no recordings of such Presidential call are made, and haven't been since the Nixon era. It isn't perfectly clear how reliable that statement is.
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I've never bought that. If you're the President, every time you take a leak it's American history in action. There's no way any conversation with a foreign leader isn't being recorded for possible followup analysis. Especially after Nixon showed how vital taping was for establishing ground truth.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
I've never bought that. If you're the President, every time you take a leak it's American history in action. There's no way any conversation with a foreign leader isn't being recorded for possible followup analysis. Especially after Nixon showed how vital taping was for establishing ground truth.
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Surely, the effectiveness of tapes in Nixon's case is a reason these conversations aren't recorded. There is a real need for some secrecy in dealing with world leaders.

Not just to protect the president, though Trump is interested in that aspect.
 
slyjoe said:
Wait a minute... Mulvaney already said they had a list - why do they need to begin a search?

On Thursday, Mulvaney said, “We sat around one night. We were back in the dining room and I was going over it with a couple of our advance team. We had the list, and he goes, 'What about Doral?' And it was like, 'That's not the craziest idea. It makes perfect sense.'
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Perfect sense if you don't give a rat's ass about the law.
 
phiwum said:
Surely, the effectiveness of tapes in Nixon's case is a reason these conversations aren't recorded. There is a real need for some secrecy in dealing with world leaders.

Not just to protect the president, though Trump is interested in that aspect.
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Surely it's a reason they are recorded. There's a real need for secrecy, but an even greater need for documenting exactly what was said.
 
Mojo said:
For that to work they would need to be insulated from most of what Trump himself says or tweets. Or they would need to be idiots.
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I would have thought so, but then I remember the people who do go to his rallies and stand there cheering at his ramblings. According to the list below, and his web site (I feel dirty having visited that), he's done rallies recently and he's scheduled to do more the coming months.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_post-election_Donald_Trump_rallies#2018_midterm_rallies

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/rallies/


I really do believe that people can and do listen to his ramblings and read his tweets and still come away from it thinking he's honest and fit for office. How they do it, I have no idea. As I keep saying, psychologists and sociologists will probably study the Trump phenomenon for decades to come. Trump supporters also seem to go out of autopilot and regain the ability to have rational conversations when they leave his cult, so I expect people will be able to interview more and more of them for research purposes.
 
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