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The Trump Presidency: Part 17

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Hellbound said:
Just abbreviate based on the name, call it the DP. Let me do a quick search for DP to make sure it isn't in use...
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Dragon Punch?

Squeegee Beckenheim said:
A speaker at the Trump conference urged attendees to "go to war" for Trump and was met with chants of "war! War!", while another recounted a "funny" time at school when he knocked the teeth out of a classmate - a story that was greeted with laughter and applause
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It's really fascinating, and more than a little frightening, how aptly Trump and his ilk have been at channeling anger for political purposes.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if that's fairly standard practice. Sounds like the sort of thing that many property/real estate figures would do, not just Trump.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Indeed. The FCA would crush Trump like a bug for violating the Rules of Acquisition.
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I wish DS9 was still on the air so they can have an episode where they have a Trump-analog Ferengi who knows how to do all the dirty and underhanded business tricks but doesn't know how to make them profitable so he lies, cheats, and steals but somehow losing money while doing it but maintains the bluster of a robber-baron because he thinks that's the point and has to face... like the Grand Negus or Brunt or whatever.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

You would think there is NO WAY that any of the Democrat Candidates that we witnessed last night could possibly become President of the United States. Now you see why they have no choice but to push a totally illegal & absurd Impeachment of one of the most successful Presidents!
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Only one of the most successful Presidents? Not the most successful? Sounds like his ego is showing cracks.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I wish DS9 was still on the air so they can have an episode where they have a Trump-analog Ferengi who knows how to do all the dirty and underhanded business tricks but doesn't know how to make them profitable so he lies, cheats, and steals but somehow losing money while doing it but maintains the bluster of a robber-baron because he thinks that's the point and has to face... like the Grand Negus or Brunt or whatever.
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I miss that show.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Rather than painting with such a broad brush, can it be that in spite of disagreeing with Bolton’s world view across the board, he can still be “principled”? I’ve seen this before in people I disagree with where I can respect their consistency. And, conversely, people I agree with acting in disappointingly hypocritical ways.
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Agreed. Bolton may have many flaws, but at least he has some semblance of a back bone and was not going to sit back while Trump allow Giuliani to work around him. Whether this was out of personal pride or patriotism will depend on which book you read about it next year, but either way it is more admirable than what we are seeing from Barr and other Trump lackeys.
 
I get the "Well they got Capone through his tax records!" is one of those things the Democrats are fixated on, but when the President of the United States is a Russian Sleeper agent without the sleeping and we can't make that stick on him, I'm not holding my breath for the scene where we have the accountant break out his ledger.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
I get the "Well they got Capone through his tax records!" is one of those things the Democrats are fixated on, but when the President of the United States is a Russian Sleeper agent without the sleeping and we can't make that stick on him, I'm not holding my breath the for scene where we have the accountant break out his ledger.
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The tax angle is something that- if confirmed- supports the liberal position that the rich are not paying their "fair share" through a combination of legal dodges and outright fraud.
The expected response from the Trumpsters that "everybody does it- just proves he is smart" might have an effect on the opinions the voting population in general have with regard to that liberal assertion.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
I get the "Well they got Capone through his tax records!" is one of those things the Democrats are fixated on, but when the President of the United States is a Russian Sleeper agent without the sleeping and we can't make that stick on him, I'm not holding my breath for the scene where we have the accountant break out his ledger.
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It should be noted that there's no evidence to support it hasn't stuck to him. We're talking about it here, the online world is talking about it with relation to Ukraine\Turkey\Kurds, and it still occupies a large amount of media time. I would say that's pretty much the definition of "sticking to him". If you're referring to the fact that he hasn't been impeached for it...well, that hasn't been shown for sure yet either.

You're right overall, but there should be a "yet" added to the end.
 
I'm listening to President Bozo's press conference with the Italian President. He's still talking about Hillary's emails.
 
plague311 said:
It should be noted that there's no evidence to support it hasn't stuck to him. We're talking about it here, the online world is talking about it with relation to Ukraine\Turkey\Kurds, and it still occupies a large amount of media time. I would say that's pretty much the definition of "sticking to him". If you're referring to the fact that he hasn't been impeached for it...well, that hasn't been shown for sure yet either.

You're right overall, but there should be a "yet" added to the end.
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Without going down a road I'm sure people are sick of me walking, that "yet" has been there for a while. Starting to think it might always be there.

Trump is always going to go down.... any minute now. I'm starting to think he's always going to be going down... any minute now.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I get the "Well they got Capone through his tax records!" is one of those things the Democrats are fixated on, but when the President of the United States is a Russian Sleeper agent without the sleeping and we can't make that stick on him, I'm not holding my breath for the scene where we have the accountant break out his ledger.
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There's two elements to this. Well, three. The first is comparable to Capone, where the tax records may show a crime in and of themselves - tax evasion being what Capone was put away for.

The second is that the tax records may uncover evidence of crimes that aren't directly related to tax. For example, receiving large, unaccounted for sums of money, or large sums of money that can be accounted for as having been received from Russian cut-outs. There's a reason why "follow the money" is an adage.

The third is that the more evidence there is against Trump, the easier it becomes to "make that stick on him". Not just because the evidence itself can be instrumental in a conviction, but because people who would otherwise shield him can turn against him if shielding him starts to come at too much of a cost. And shielding can come at too much of a cost for many who shield him if more of the public turn against him.

And I know that people often like to paint it as "Trump supporters are all unthinking and will never, ever turn against him in any way". But that ignores the people who are more in the middle (who do exist). The people who don't like him as a person, but who have supported him any way because they think that will help them achieve their agenda (whatever that may be).

And it is also just wrong in and of itself. A Fox News poll recently indicated that Trump is losing support over his impeachment inquiry, and over his abandoning the Kurds (although I must confess that I can't find a direct link).

Pat Robertson said that Trump is “in danger of losing the mandate of heaven”. I suspect that Evangelicals are likely to be more loyal to Robertson than they are Trump, and Evangelicals are a not-small portion of Trump's base. Robertson withdrawing his support would be significant.

Fox have been more critical of Trump as of late, and both Matt Drudge and Tucker Carlson published on their respective websites articles that were critical of him over these issues, as did Breitbart.

And yes, I know, these are all just small moves, and it hasn't all happened right now, but that's how these things happen. It's a long game, and just because Trump hasn't been held accountable for his crimes yet doesn't imply that he never will be. Of course, it doesn't imply that he will, either, but that doesn't make his tax records insignificant. The more that comes out, the less support he will have, and the less support he has, the more vulnerable he is.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Trump is always going to go down.... any minute now. I'm starting to think he's always going to be going down... any minute now.
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I don't think I've ever heard anybody say "any minute now" WRT this issue...other than you decrying the fact that other people are saying it.
 
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