Sweden is 18 apparently
No offence, as different strokes for different folks and that, but find the highlighted a bit dodge
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Greta Thunberg - brave campaigner or deeply disturbed?
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Sweden is 18 apparently
No offence, as different strokes for different folks and that, but find the highlighted a bit dodge
Checkmite
Skepticifimisticalationist
Yousafzai started out as a teen celebrity after being interviewed for a New York Times documentary, giving media interviews and speaking before government bodies about life as a girl under Taliban rule. She did not become internationally known as an actual activist for girls' education until after the infamous failed assassination attempt, more than three years after she first became a celebrity.
There are some interesting parallels between Malala and Greta. In her home country of Pakistan, Malala was viewed and described by a substantial portion of the public in much the same terms that Greta is viewed by those critical of her: that she is ignorantly speaking out of place, exaggerating or inventing the problems she speaks about for dramatic purposes, and was being manipulated as a tool by adults with political agendas. Despite the fact that the Taliban leadership claimed responsibility for attacking her and openly declared that she was a target for another assassination attempt, there is a popular conspiracy theory among pro-Taliban Pakistanis that Malala staged her failed assassination for publicity, either on her own or with the help of the CIA. Malala's book is banned from schools in Pakistan, and there is actually an anti-Malala school holiday.
In terms of the maturity of their activism, on the other hand, it is ignorant to compare Thunberg to Yousafzai. It took three years of literally nothing but awareness-raising speaking tours before Malala Yousafzai was able to create a foundation and a raise funds for more substantial activism work beyond simply speaking. By now she has been a celebrity for more than a decade, so of course she now has a network and formal organization. Greta Thunberg has only been an activist for roughly a year, and first began her public speaking around ten months ago. Of course she has not established a support network or raised funds capable of doing "more work" than speaking engagements yet. To criticize her on these grounds is to set fantastically unrealistic goals.
There are some interesting parallels between Malala and Greta. In her home country of Pakistan, Malala was viewed and described by a substantial portion of the public in much the same terms that Greta is viewed by those critical of her: that she is ignorantly speaking out of place, exaggerating or inventing the problems she speaks about for dramatic purposes, and was being manipulated as a tool by adults with political agendas. Despite the fact that the Taliban leadership claimed responsibility for attacking her and openly declared that she was a target for another assassination attempt, there is a popular conspiracy theory among pro-Taliban Pakistanis that Malala staged her failed assassination for publicity, either on her own or with the help of the CIA. Malala's book is banned from schools in Pakistan, and there is actually an anti-Malala school holiday.
In terms of the maturity of their activism, on the other hand, it is ignorant to compare Thunberg to Yousafzai. It took three years of literally nothing but awareness-raising speaking tours before Malala Yousafzai was able to create a foundation and a raise funds for more substantial activism work beyond simply speaking. By now she has been a celebrity for more than a decade, so of course she now has a network and formal organization. Greta Thunberg has only been an activist for roughly a year, and first began her public speaking around ten months ago. Of course she has not established a support network or raised funds capable of doing "more work" than speaking engagements yet. To criticize her on these grounds is to set fantastically unrealistic goals.
Checkmite
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That's not even close to being true.
But I have to wonder why you think it's specifically "the western world's" opinion that matters, vis-a-vis Malala. Malala was not from the West, and while she supports a global idea, her actual activism is focused on improving educational opportunities for girls in countries that are also not in the West. Whereas, Greta is from the West, and addresses western nations primarily.
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I'll admit the western world was a big claim, but last time I checked Pakistan wan't in it
Checkmite
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What does that have to do with Katie Hopkins, the British author of that particular tweet?
I don't
Checkmite
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So you specified that no one "in the western world" is arguing, because...?
Rolfe
Adult human female
It's certainly possible to take issue with our age of majority,* but that's the situation. I was simply pointing out that to demand that someone who would be of legal adult status in some developed western societies be referred to as a "child" was a bit naive.
* the tourist trade at Gretna love it though.
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I have to point out a moment of complete and utter honesty here.
And I profusely apologise
It was kind of a idiot post
The next rugby game is on in the RWC and was only half looking
South Africa 17 - Italy 3
I picked SA by 17
If I could make one point before going back
Yousafzai has done more for her fellow women than Geta could dream of.
But willing to re-evaluate in a few years
And yet you don't listen to the people you claim to have listened to for your knowledge about climate change I.e. Cox and Attenborough
No offence Darat
As I thought you were normal. Hey. Maybe you just think I am a ****
But I really struggle with you asking for ONE name of someone I listen to on climate change.
I give you two
Cox and Jim Salinger
Cox you argue against even though I said it wasn't because he was a climate scientist.
Salinger, you ignore, because you know I have worked with him and you would get your #### kicked.
You seem for some weird reason to think that that is all I listen to.
I get a bit miffed and say post yours
You run away and hide.
a_unique_person
Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning
I have no idea what you are arguing here. Does Salinger say there will be no catastrophic results of global warming?
No, he says there will be.
I can only go off what you actually post rather than what you imagine you have posted.
a_unique_person
Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning
I don't get it either. You agree with Salinger that there will be catastophic consequences. Yet you ridicule Thunberg for saying there will be catastophic consequences if we don't act soon.
I have never said I disagree with what she says, apart from the it is all going to happen in 11 years or it is unstoppable, let scare kids bit.
I keep repeating this, but it doesn't seem to register
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