The Trump Presidency: Part 17

[smartcooky]

No matter how many times someone stamped down a "new order" the underlying truth was the same: the laws are nice words on paper, if you want me to stop...make me.

Which is why I believe that, either the DoJ needs to be removed from the executive branch and put under the control of the Judicial Branch, or better still, the Congress need to have its own enforcement unit that can arrest and jail people who obstruct investigations and/or refuse to comply with subpoenas to appear before Congressional hearings.

 

[Bob001]

Which is why I believe that, either the DoJ needs to be removed from the executive branch and put under the control of the Judicial Branch, or better still, the Congress need to have its own enforcement unit that can arrest and jail people who obstruct investigations and/or refuse to comply with subpoenas to appear before Congressional hearings.

So prosecutors and judges would work for the same department? You see any problems with that?

 

[dudalb]

So prosecutors and judges would work for the same department? You see any problems with that?

I also think that having different branches of Government with competing law enforcement agencies might open a can of worms.

 

[smartcooky]

So prosecutors and judges would work for the same department? You see any problems with that?

Nope; its how it works here.

The Governor-General appoints the Chief Justice on the recommendation of the Prime Minister (on a seniority basis based on the advice of other judges). All other superior court judges are appointed by the Governor-General on the combined advice the Attorney-General, the Chief Justice, and the Solicitor-General. The Crown Prosecutor is responsible to the Solicitor general.... (yeah I know, I know, "things that work in other countries don't work in 'Merica 'cos its so speshul!"

In any case, it can't be any worse that having a criminal president appoint a corrupt AG to do his personal bidding. I thought "Merica would have learned from that mistake from 1972 to 1974!

 

[Delphic Oracle]

So prosecutors and judges would work for the same department? You see any problems with that?

Well, to be fair you have to compare that to the results of them operating under the most powerful office of all and coming up with the fantastic legal opinion that the person in the most powerful office is exempt from legal action.

 

[Steve]

Nope; its how it works here.

The Governor-General appoints the Chief Justice on the recommendation of the Prime Minister (on a seniority basis based on the advice of other judges). All other superior court judges are appointed by the Governor-General on the combined advice the Attorney-General, the Chief Justice, and the Solicitor-General. The Crown Prosecutor is responsible to the Solicitor general....[ (yeah I know, I know, "things that work in other countries don't work in 'Merica 'cos its so speshul!"
In any case, it can't be any worse that having a criminal president appoint a corrupt AG to do his personal bidding. I thought "Merica would have learned from that mistake from 1972 to 1974!

I have learned on these forums over the years that very little - politics, health care, police forces, the judicial system, accessibility of guns, safety in schools, racial equality, etc., actually works in America. Their speshulness is generally not good for their own citizens, and those citizens have no power to do anything about it.

 

[Bob001]

Nope; its how it works here.

The Governor-General appoints the Chief Justice on the recommendation of the Prime Minister (on a seniority basis based on the advice of other judges). All other superior court judges are appointed by the Governor-General on the combined advice the Attorney-General, the Chief Justice, and the Solicitor-General. The Crown Prosecutor is responsible to the Solicitor general.... (yeah I know, I know, "things that work in other countries don't work in 'Merica 'cos its so speshul!"
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According to your own government web site, New Zealand's government works like this (kinda like the U.S.):

New Zealand has three branches of Government:
The Legislature consists of Members of Parliament and the Governor-General. The role of the Legislature is to make laws (legislation), and to scrutinise the Executive.

The Executive consists of Ministers (both inside and outside Cabinet) and Government departments. The role of the Executive is to decide policy, propose laws (which must be approved by the Legislature) and administer the law.

The Judiciary consists of all judges. The role of the judiciary is to interpret and apply the law. There are two main sources of law: statutes (the laws passed by Parliament) and the ‘common law’. The common law has been developed by judges over the centuries, and may be altered by the courts to meet changing circumstances.

The three branches operate independently from one another, a principle known as the ‘separation of powers’. This principle is intended to prevent abuses of power, as each branch acts as a check on the others.
Judicial independence
Judges are independent from the other branches of Government and from each other. Judges must be free to determine each case according to the law, based on the evidence presented in court. This means that judges must be free from influence from every person including, but not limited to, the Governor-General, Members of Parliament (including Ministers) and Government officials.
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https://www.justice.govt.nz/courts/...-zealands-constitutional/#Branches-government

In the U.S., federal judges are appointed by the President with the approval of the Senate, but they are not employees of the executive or legislative branches. That's why federal judges can block Trump's orders, despite what the President and Attorney General want. The U.S. also has multiple levels of state and local judges, many of whom are elected like other officials, but they are part of an independent judicial branch. There are sound, practical reasons for not having judges and prosecutors working in the same branch.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Trump Tweets

Leader McCarthy, we look forward to you soon becoming Speaker of the House. The Do Nothing Dems don’t have a chance!

Using my Google Translate Idiot to English:

"McCarthy is my kind of dweeb. He hadn't even read the very short transcript but booked his ignorant ass for an interview to defend it, anyway! No chance this maroon ever thinks for himself! Just what we deserve for the GOP, another mindless yes-man."

 

[Lurch]

Using my Google Translate Idiot to English:

"McCarthy is my kind of dweeb. He hadn't even read the very short transcript but booked his ignorant ass for an interview to defend it, anyway! No chance this maroon ever thinks for himself! Just what we deserve for the GOP, another mindless yes-man."

You put my nebulous, dimly conceived, nascent glimmer of a though into a most clarion, cogent and biting paragraph my muse and inner scribe can but envy.

 

[quadraginta]

He should know that a stomach wound works too. I watch a lot of TV too, and stomach wounds are just like a pain in the stomach but with a little blood that stops when you put a bandage on it. They are easier to deal with than a leg wound as you can still walk around.

This might explain why Trump told his aides that he thought U.S. forces at the southern border should be equipped with bayonets.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

This might explain why Trump told his aides that he thought U.S. forces at the southern border should be equipped with bayonets.

It's the fiscally responsible measure to save on bullets.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

As the President of the United States, I have an absolute right, perhaps even a duty, to investigate, or have investigated, CORRUPTION, and that would include asking, or suggesting, other Countries to help us out!

We are simultaneously fighting the Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party. Always tough to beat the “Press,” but people are beginning to see how totally CORRUPT they are, and it makes our job a whole lot easier!

 

[TofuFighter]

No. But I definitely believe the press will pay a lot less attention to the nutjob.

I don't think that at all. The press know they have a gold mine in trump. They could have sucked the air from his inflated ego any time over the past couple of years by not paying his so much attention, but they know it's in their interest to report on him, and if they don't someone else will.

 

[The Don]

Exactly they can't ever finish the articles of impeachment if he just keeps blatantly committing them!

Mrs Don pointed out that President Trump has, deliberately or by accident managed to pull off two extraordinary moves.

By asking China to look into Joe Biden, this is no longer a sneaky act, it's now standard operating practice - not something that should trigger impeachment.

By keeping the Biden thing in the news, President Trump has ensured that everyone has had several days of "Joe Biden - Corruption" headlines. Even though the accusations are groundless, all the networks have been using those words in conjunction and a large number of people who aren't particularly politically interested will have the impression that there must be something to it.

The cherry on top of this whole pile of **** is that the Democrats cannot even use this playbook because time and again GOP voters have demonstrated that they don't care if their candidate is accused of being a rapist, conman, swindler or kiddie-fiddler, they'll still turn out and vote in numbers.

 

[a_unique_person]

No. They believe it. It is now a fact as far as Donald's fans are concerned.

 

[The Don]

No. They believe it. It is now a fact as far as Donald's fans are concerned.

For President Trump's base for sure. I'm talking about comparatively disinterested swing voters, the ones who only show any kind of interest in politics in a Presidential election year. They will have had "Joe Biden - corruption scandal" drip fed to them by all networks, not just FOXNews, for over a year

 

[Darat]

According to your own government web site, New Zealand's government works like this (kinda like the U.S.):





https://www.justice.govt.nz/courts/...-zealands-constitutional/#Branches-government



In the U.S., federal judges are appointed by the President with the approval of the Senate, but they are not employees of the executive or legislative branches. That's why federal judges can block Trump's orders, despite what the President and Attorney General want. The U.S. also has multiple levels of state and local judges, many of whom are elected like other officials, but they are part of an independent judicial branch. There are sound, practical reasons for not having judges and prosecutors working in the same branch.

The greater issue is that the USA has a politicised judiciary, I suspect that like the UK systems the NZ is not politicised (there are in the UK systems issues with who becomes a judge but that is a social issue not a political one).

 

[Aridas]

The greater issue is that the USA has a politicised judiciary, I suspect that like the UK systems the NZ is not politicised (there are in the UK systems issues with who becomes a judge but that is a social issue not a political one).

Has New Zealand been facing over a half century of powerful and wealthy individuals and groups seeking to systematically undermine and corrupt the government and the people?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

This isn’t about a Campaign, this is about Corruption on a massive scale!

As the President of the United States, I have an absolute right, perhaps even a duty, to investigate, or have investigated, CORRUPTION, and that would include asking, or suggesting, other Countries to help us out!

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

DRAIN THE SWAMP!

Nancy Pelosi today, on @GMA, actually said that Adam Schiffty Schiff didn’t fabricate my words in a major speech before Congress. She either had no idea what she was saying, in other words lost it, or she lied. Even Clinton lover @GStephanopoulos strongly called her out. Sue her?