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He sought to ramp up the pressure on Brussels by insisting Britain is*now ready to leave without a deal*at the end of this month. “That is not an outcome we want, it is not an outcome we seek at all – but let me tell you, my friends, it is an outcome for which we are ready,” he said.

He then asked the packed hall in Manchester: “Are we ready for it?” The audience shouted back: “Yes!”
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What a tosser. "not an outcome we want".



https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ckstop?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
 
Darat said:
For goodness sake give it a rest.
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Why only me? Why is everybody else allowed to continue to attack me with gay abandon?

I'm guessing that it is because you on their side.

Mojo said:
Nonsense. Your question has always been "what existing law or precedent limits the advice the PM can give the Queen?" The judgment I linked to does just that.
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No, you said that the answer is that an order made under royal prerogative is subject to judicial review. Even if the Royal Prerogative is exercised under ministerial advice, it is not being disputed that it is "subject to judicial review". However, it doesn't answer the question I asked.
 
psionl0 said:
Why only me? Why is everybody else allowed to continue to attack me with gay abandon?

I'm guessing that it is because you on their side.


No, you said that the answer is that an order made under royal prerogative is subject to judicial review. Even if the Royal Prerogative is exercised under ministerial advice, it is not being disputed that it is "subject to judicial review". However, it doesn't answer the question I asked.
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If you are not going to understand the answer there is no point asking the question.
 
Worm said:
UK Proposals for a new protocol on Ireland/Northern Ireland :

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...for-a-new-protocol-on-irelandnorthern-ireland
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Same old again. Make what you want the default unless positive action is taken to overturn it and wait. You'll get there eventually.

The uncertainty of having to prolong the status every four years is enough to make this proposal unworkable. Make it so if no positive action is taken, status quo remains and it might go through.

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
Same old again. Make what you want the default unless positive action is taken to overturn it and wait. You'll get there eventually.

The uncertainty of having to prolong the status every four years is enough to make this proposal unworkable. Make it so if no positive action is taken, status quo remains and it might go through.

McHrozni
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It does look like the DUP have decided to compromise to a remarkable extent, just to get Brexit done.
 
psionl0 said:
So there is an existing law that says under what circumstances a PM can advise the Queen to prorogue Parliament?


Yet again, that is not the question.

I keep asking what law or precedent says when a recommendation made by a PM is unlawful and I keep getting an answer to a completely different question.
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In answering your question about common law I gave you links to a lot of reading material. There is other stuff I did not even look at.

I think the time of you pestering others to answer your questions should end. Go and do some research yourself and find the answer, yourself. Start with the various links that I gave you.
 
Nessie said:
It does look like the DUP have decided to compromise to a remarkable extent, just to get Brexit done.
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Or, as other commentators have suggested, they know that the deal won't be acceptable to the EU and so they can safely give it their support safe that it will never happen and try and deflect the blame for the resulting no-deal to the EU.
 
Nessie said:
It does look like the DUP have decided to compromise to a remarkable extent, just to get Brexit done.
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Have they? This is just a time-limited backstop that includes the option to be extended by NI, if they take a positive action to do so. Guess what DUP will try to do.

They proposed something very similar way back. They're prepared to compromise and have a hard border in Ireland a few years after Brexit, that's the extent of their compromise.

The idea is clever in that it puts the fate of NI in the hands of Northern Irish at least. I can't argue against that. It still fails the snicker test, because it sets a hard Brexit as the legal default. EU has had enough of those, I think.

McHrozni
 
a_unique_person said:
What a tosser. "not an outcome we want".



https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ckstop?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
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“That is not an outcome we want, it is not an outcome we seek at all – but let me tell you, my friends, it is an outcome for which we are ready,”
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Wow, not one part of that wasn't a lie. Three lies in one sentence, he hasn't managed that since last time he called Gove "My Right Honourable Friend".

Did you see him brush off Sajid Javid to wrap himself around Priti Patel? It was brutal.
 
Noel Edmunds should be the DUP spokesman, "deal or no deal". It looks like a deal, but it is just the postponing of any final decision until after Brexit which crucially, gives NI more say in what happens.
 
McHrozni said:
Have they? This is just a time-limited backstop that includes the option to be extended by NI, if they take a positive action to do so. Guess what DUP will try to do.

They proposed something very similar way back. They're prepared to compromise and have a hard border in Ireland a few years after Brexit, that's the extent of their compromise.

The idea is clever in that it puts the fate of NI in the hands of Northern Irish at least. I can't argue against that. It still fails the snicker test, because it sets a hard Brexit as the legal default. EU has had enough of those, I think.

McHrozni
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It is a watering down of the backstop, NI leaves the customs union but stays in the single market. I think the DUP agreed to that because it means customs checks not at the backstop and in Ireland itself and because there are already various existing agreements in place regarding the harmonisation of the market, particularly agricultural products.
 
Ladbrokes are offering these odds that are mainly new today
Another UK EU Referendum before end 2020
Brexit Specials
2.50
UK to leave EU with no Brexit Deal before Nov 1st
Brexit Specials
3.00
UK to REVOKE Article 50 in 2019
Brexit Specials
3.50
UK to vote to REMAIN in EU before end 2020
Brexit Specials
4.00

I would be concerned by the no deal case, since it is shortening. However, no deal was at 1.72 several weeks ago, which I would have killed to take the bookie side.
 
Nessie said:
In answering your question about common law I gave you links to a lot of reading material. There is other stuff I did not even look at.

I think the time of you pestering others to answer your questions should end. Go and do some research yourself and find the answer, yourself. Start with the various links that I gave you.
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You keep answering the wrong question and you can't even tell that it is the wrong question.

You have no right to feel so smug about yourself.
 
Boris Johnson is swimming into a sea of enemies, while Trump is an apex predator.
This looks like another referendum where the devil you know is the new best friend.
That is the logical progression.
Remain is already defined, and leave has all the time in the world to define "leave".
 
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Samson said:
2.50 UK to leave EU with no Brexit Deal before Nov 1st

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I would be concerned by the no deal case, since it is shortening. However, no deal was at 1.72 several weeks ago
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Doesn't that mean it's lengthening? Other bookies' odds of no deal is lengthening too, Paddy Power has it at 7/2 which is just around 20% likely; before the Benn law (end August) it was about 45% or 1.1

I suppose the punters think that Johnson is bluffing about no brextension and/or have faith that opposition parties might be able to find a leader they can unsquabble about.
 
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