The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 29

[Stacyhs]

Oh please. Stefanoni worked extensively in helping identify Tsunami victims of the 2004 disaster. People who volunteer their services in third world disaster areas do not tend to be narrow minded bigots.

I really am worried about you, Vixen. For you to think that anything LJ said had even the remotest connection to saying Stefanoni was a 'narrow minded bigot' is indicative of a serious processing problem.

 

[TruthCalls]

Don't be so silly. The DNA fragments might just have easily come from whoever packaged the bra in the factory. It might have been new and straight out of the packet. Or someone handling it in the shop before Mez bought it.

So what you're saying is Meredith was a pig who never washed her bra? ...is that what you're saying?

 

[Stacyhs]

It was almost certainly Knox who carried a knife dripping with Meredith's blood into the bathroom to rinse it. She was indeed considered at trial to be the killer.

Whenever you use "almost certainly" or any form thereof, whatever follows is going to be nonsense.

Where are those drops of blood leading to the bathroom? Not in any records or case photos, that's for certain. They exist only in your fevered imagination.

She was accused at trial of being the killer, but the Supreme Court said she's not. I know that's hard for you to accept, but sometimes we just have to accept being disappointed.

 

[TruthCalls]

Oh dear. It looks like you missed your vocation as a criminal defence barrister.

From the snarky comment can I assume you think their logic was sound? I just want to confirm that before I paste the text of their reasoning here and have you try to defend it. That should prove to be rather entertaining.

 

[Stacyhs]

Why would anyone, outside perhaps Silenzi, be touching that bra hook? Especially males? In the past, I've asked that question but the PGP just ignore it. The choices are that it's either contamination or Meredith had more than just Silenzi touching her bra hooks.

Don't be so silly. The DNA fragments might just have easily come from whoever packaged the bra in the factory. It might have been new and straight out of the packet. Or someone handling it in the shop before Mez bought it.

Exactly. That's the long way of saying it was contamination.

I don't know about you, but I don't usually wear my bras without washing them first.

 

[Stacyhs]

I'm flying on Condor (Cook subsidiary) to Frankfurt next week. Thank goodness they're flying as usual ...for now. Seeking bridge loan from German gov't as they were the only profitable business for TC. They have the only decently priced BC fare from the US West Coast to Europe.

This is what happens when you go for the budget/cheapo flights.

I do believe it was you who once said you had flown on charter flights many times. Stop being cheap.

Flying business class on Condor is neither budget nor cheap. But it is a better bargain than the other airlines. I suppose you'd prefer to spend almost twice as much?

 

[Stacyhs]

Oh dear. It looks like you missed your vocation as a criminal defence barrister.

It looks like you missed the Supreme Court's dismissal of Curatolo:

The previous [a quo] judge, then, also committed an obvious misrepresentation in the evaluation
of Curatolo’s testimony, not realizing that the declarations of the witness were, actually, in favor
of the accused, especially in the part where he states to have seen the couple in piazza Grimana at
21:30 PM until 12:00 AM. Therefore, there was an internal contradiction of the judging: it
wasn’t true what was stated at p. 50 concerning the supposed absence of extrinsic elements
confirming that the two accused, from 9:30 PM to 12:30 PM of the next day, would have been in
a different place than the one where the homicide took place.

Mr. Curatolo (an enigmatic character: a clochard, drug addicted and dealer) [48] besides the
fact that his declarations were late and the fact that he was not foreign to judiciary showing-off in
judicial cases with a strong media impact, he was also contradicted about his reference to young
people waiting for public buses to leave in the direction of disco clubs in the area, since it was
asserted that the night of the murder the bus service was not operational; and also the reference to
masks and jokes, which he says he witnessed that evening, would lead to believe that it was on
Halloween night, on October 31., and not on Nov. 1. instead.

But as it was previously noted, such witness
statements appeared to have strong margins of ambiguity and approximation, so that could not
reasonably constitute the foundation of any certainty, besides the problematic judgement of
reliability expressed by the lower [a quo] judge.

 

[TruthCalls]

Everybody's a liar except your two little darlings.

So you think an elderly, hard of hearing Capezzali was capable of hearing people running off and discerning it was multiple people running in opposite directions - all without even opening the window. YOU think that's credible?

So you think Quintavalle was credible? Bearing in mind...

1. He was shown a picture of Amanda, claimed to recognize her and had seen her previously in the store but always in the company of Raffaele.
2. Despite the police coming to his store to inquire about Amanda perhaps buying bleach there, and despite Amanda's photo being published in the media thousands of times, it never once dawned on him for more than a year that he should probably mention to the police that he saw Amanda that morning.
3. No one else - not one of the clerks, not one of the customers there, no one else on the street that morning, not even any of the CCTV cameras in the area -saw Amanda that morning.
4. Apparently Amanda got up early just to go to the store, walked around in an effort to make sure she was seen (but apparently didn't do a very good job) and then head home without ever buying anything.

So you think Curatolo was credible even though he was adamant he saw Amanda and Raffaele the same night the disco buses were picking up people dressed in costumes.

And you think it's just a coincidence that all three of these "witnesses" just happened to have epiphany moments immediately after Fois came to see them?

Nope, not everyone's a liar, but these three certainly were either lying or they were duped/conned into making their claims. Either way, to consider any of the three credible does not speak very highly of your critical thought skills.

 

[Stacyhs]

I completely agree. Finding Curatolo in any way credible was ridiculous. Equally ridiculous was Nara Capezalli. This woman claimed to have seen posters of Guede, Knox, and Sollecito the next morning! She says she was told about it by some boys also the next morning after hearing the scream but the crime had not even been discovered yet.
I also note that the same journalist, Antioco Fois, incredibly 'discovered' not only Curatolo and Capezalli, but also Quintavalle. All came forward with his urging.

Hilarious.

I agree; finding Nara credible was hilarious. Exactly which of my statements above is untrue?

NC:I got up as I always do about seven thirty, eight o’clock. Anyway, it’s not as if I have my husband any more and I don’t have to prepare his breakfast or such things, and so I get up later.
GM:
Then what happened that morning?
NC:
That morning while I was cleaning the house, I heard some boys coming downstairs running, saying: “Signora, signora, they have killed a girl over there in that cottage”; “Not really – I say – you lot are always carrying on!”, “No, no, I’m telling you the truth?!” In fact they all ran to go and see, but I didn't go because I’m not like that. Then after I went out to get the bread...
GM:
About what time? ?
NC:
It would have been around eleven, and I stopped at the newsstand and there were already these posters which talked about this girl and then I said: “Oh God, I heard it then, it was this girl”

(N. Capezalli testimony)

Would you like me to present the evidence that all three came forward at Fois' urging? I can.

 

[TruthCalls]

Knox and Sollecito were convicted on the merits. Police are not looking for anybody else.

Not even Knox and Solly are looking for anybody else after the appearance of their disastrous star witnesses, a child kidnapper, Alessi, and killer and a sociopathic mafiosi Lucy (formerly Luciano) 'five versions' Aviello, claiming hey knew who the 'other attackers' were.

Even Knox and Raff believed there were 'other attackers' and sought to bribe these two crooks into providing a false account.

Both Amanda and Raffaele, after having seen the evidence, were quite clear in their belief that Guede was the one and only killer of Amanda.

You have proof of an effort to bribe anyone? Yeah, didn't think so. Must be in there with your evidence of the $2m PR campaign.

 

[TruthCalls]

We all know who did it.

You're quite right - Rudy Guede. Glad to see we're all on the same page finally.

 

[TruthCalls]

You are not usually funny but that made me laugh.

Again we agree. The thought of someone coming forward and expressing an opinion that Stefanoni's work in this case was professional and competent IS hysterical.

 

[Stacyhs]

RS's kitchen knife was compatible with the largest wound... but only compatible as would have been almost any non-serrated knife. MY kitchen knife would have been compatible. As would likely Mignini's, Comodi's, Profazio's, Sophie's, etc.

Yet another non sequitur.

How is it an erroneous conclusion that Mignini's, Comodi's, Profazio's, Sophie's non serrated kitchen knives or my knife would have been compatible with the largest knife wound?

the expert Prof. Umani Ronchi at the hearing of 19 September 2009 (...), acknowledged that the opinion of ‘not incompatible’ given in the report was based only on the fact that the knife was single-edged. To the question of Avv. Dalla Vedova “but then, Professor, any knife that has this morphological characteristic, that is that is single-edged, has the same declaration of not incompatible?”, Prof Umani Ronchi replied: “Practically yes, practically yes”

 

[Stacyhs]

The one act that revealed just how unprepared these clowns were for investigating a murder like this is Finzi's taking that single knife from a drawer full of knives because of his 'gut instinct'. Unbelievable.

The claim by the police that they could smell bleach in RS's apartment also bothers me. Were they ever put to the test by identifying the odor of bleach from lysoform? Not that I'm aware of.

Sherlock Holmes bites again.

It doesn't take a Sherlock Holmes to figure out that choosing a single knife from a drawer full of them on 'gut instinct' when one doesn't even know the particulars of the wound is rather less than solid reasoning. Apparently you think it is which which explains rather a lot regarding your conclusion of guilty.

 

[Stacyhs]

Everybody's a liar except your two little darlings.

No. Lumumba lied. He didn't fire Amanda as he first claimed. And did the police beat him or treat him well? He claimed both.

Stefanoni lied. Or do you think she really just forgot to mention the numerous negative TMB tests she conducted? As you like to say, lying by omission.

Quintavalle lied. He either didn't see Knox as he told Volturno, or he did as he told the police.

Curatolo lied. Well, either that or he was just non compos mentis.

Kokomani lied. Or do you think he see Amanda with her uncle in Perugia that summer?

Giofreddi lied. Or do you think Amanda really had a red coat no one else but he saw?

 

[Stacyhs]

Shouldn't that be moved to the conspiracies thread?

All these ******* Italians conspiring with each other against Miss American Pie.

Do you have anything of value to add or are you going to stick to the irrelevant nonsense you have posted so far?

That's a rhetorical question.

 

[Stacyhs]

We all know who did it.

Yes, Guede. Why you have such a hard time accepting that is not a mystery.

You are not usually funny but that made me laugh.

Glad I could reciprocate. I laugh at your posts all the time.

 

[Stacyhs]

So you think an elderly, hard of hearing Capezzali was capable of hearing people running off and discerning it was multiple people running in opposite directions - all without even opening the window. YOU think that's credible?

So you think Quintavalle was credible? Bearing in mind...

1. He was shown a picture of Amanda, claimed to recognize her and had seen her previously in the store but always in the company of Raffaele.
2. Despite the police coming to his store to inquire about Amanda perhaps buying bleach there, and despite Amanda's photo being published in the media thousands of times, it never once dawned on him for more than a year that he should probably mention to the police that he saw Amanda that morning.
3. No one else - not one of the clerks, not one of the customers there, no one else on the street that morning, not even any of the CCTV cameras in the area -saw Amanda that morning.
4. Apparently Amanda got up early just to go to the store, walked around in an effort to make sure she was seen (but apparently didn't do a very good job) and then head home without ever buying anything. So you think Curatolo was credible even though he was adamant he saw Amanda and Raffaele the same night the disco buses were picking up people dressed in costumes.

And you think it's just a coincidence that all three of these "witnesses" just happened to have epiphany moments immediately after Fois came to see them?

Nope, not everyone's a liar, but these three certainly were either lying or they were duped/conned into making their claims. Either way, to consider any of the three credible does not speak very highly of your critical thought skills.

Vixen also thinks it's logical that Amanda would go to buy bleach at a store just a few doors down from Raff's where there was a bottle and a half of bleach in the bathroom.

Man, that is some logical reasoning!

 

[Bill Williams]

Even Knox and Raff believed there were 'other attackers' and sought to bribe these two crooks into providing a false account.

The random Vixen allegation fun-wheel just goes round and round.

I was going to ask for a citation of this factoid, a factoid **no one** has ever offered in the last 12 years.....

But why bother.

 

[Stacyhs]

The random Vixen allegation fun-wheel just goes round and round.

I was going to ask for a citation of this factoid, a factoid **no one** has ever offered in the last 12 years.....

But why bother.

Why let facts get in the way of a good lie?