whos door? if they meant Jean's, not a good look for her. And if it was hers, and she didn't make sure it was closed, not a good look for her.
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whos door? if they meant Jean's, not a good look for her. And if it was hers, and she didn't make sure it was closed, not a good look for her.
and no doubt probably just shortly after moving there until they got acclimated.
damn that's funny.
plague311
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Some points of correction, since if this were a person, it would be so full of **** its eyes would be brown.
1) There was no evidence he actually smoked pot that day. The people there just said it smelled like it. Anyone that smokes, or has smoked, knows that having a baggie on the counter can make your place have a smell.
2) It has been stated and confirmed by both Amber and her defense that the only audible things she said were giving him instructions. She never once asked him anything. She stated she gave him instructions, and when he didn't listen, she capped him.
3) The victim didn't "approach". At least there is no evidence he did at all. He was shot in a position that would have made it impossible for him to be standing. This has been confirmed through the ME's report. Drop it, it's a ******** statement.
4) There has been nothing stated that Jean got to say anything. No "get out of my apartment lady" or anything to that effect. In fact, he was wearing earbuds at the time which means he a) didn't hear her ******* with his lock (which she didn't notice flashed red, denying her entry, and didn't make the unlock sound), b) didn't hear the door open (meaning he probably didn't realize she was in until the light from the hallway started streaming in, which is why he didn't say anything previously) and c) didn't hear any of her instructions, not that he should have been listening for any. He was at home.
Lastly, the defense has done nothing but try to paint Jean as a criminal. They mentioned his smoking pot to every first responder that's been called. I've missed this morning because I had some work to do, but Drew is extremely wrong.
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plague311
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Correct, they did tests on Jean's door.
Yeah, they didn't clarify too much of when, just that it happened to other residents.
not sure how that helps her.
plague311
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It looks like the Texas Ranger David Armstrong testified that he didn't think Guyger did anything wrong. He believes her in that she thought he was a reasonable threat and he believes her actions were NOT reckless. I didn't see this, just reading through the notes. It appears there was something about Jean's shoes as well. The defense wanted this Ranger to testify on where Jean's shoes were.
The jury was not in the courtroom for this time, and the judge struck down his ability to testify on those two points to the jury. The note I read said, verbatim:
The following note says "Jury returns to the courtroom and cross examination continues" of the Ranger.
If you go here and look through the notes you can see where I'm getting it from. It also shows images of both Jean's and Amber's apartments and you can see how much different they are when looking in.
The jury was not in the courtroom for this time, and the judge struck down his ability to testify on those two points to the jury. The note I read said, verbatim:
The following note says "Jury returns to the courtroom and cross examination continues" of the Ranger.
If you go here and look through the notes you can see where I'm getting it from. It also shows images of both Jean's and Amber's apartments and you can see how much different they are when looking in.
plague311
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For people who shoot guns, could you please go to that link I posted before and tell me something?
How far to casings eject when shot? I honestly don't know, but one of the casings is all the way by his dishwasher (the pic is timestamped 11:04 if that helps), and that seems to be to be pretty deep into the apartment. I mean...damn. That would indicate to me she was a decent ways into the kitchen before firing that shot.
How far to casings eject when shot? I honestly don't know, but one of the casings is all the way by his dishwasher (the pic is timestamped 11:04 if that helps), and that seems to be to be pretty deep into the apartment. I mean...damn. That would indicate to me she was a decent ways into the kitchen before firing that shot.
Thermal
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Drop a coin on a hard floor and watch how far it can roll and bounce around
theprestige
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As someone who shoots guns, I'd say it's impossible to get useful information from shell casing location in a scenario like this. There's simply no way to evaluate how a casing might reasonably tumble, bounce, roll, get kicked, etc. after being ejected. In my (limited) experience, casings don't usually fly very far, but also I'm always shooting in an enclosed space and cleaning up after myself, so there's not much scope for stray casings to go walkabout in the venue.
Thermal
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I theorize that it travelled a short distance into the surprised body of an innocent victim
lobosrul5
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How far a casing is ejected varies wildly. A 9mm loaded up hot (I'm guessing cops carry +P+?), 5 or 6 feet maybe. How far the cartridge will roll?? I've hunted down casings that rolled a good 15 or 20 feet on a concrete surface. Given the kitchen looks like a hard surface I'm not sure that its much in the way of evidence.
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Is this guy a current Texas Ranger who actually investigated this incident, or is he maybe a former TR who now helps defend cops? It seems odd that an active cop would make such a definitive pronouncement, rather than just presenting the evidence.
Worse than that, really. Casings are cylindrical and easily moved around by first responders rushing to the aid of a dying man. A slight tap could send one rolling across a small apartment like that pretty easily.
As to the force with which they are ejected, I think that depends a lot on the gun but essentially about as far as you normally flip a quarter with your thumb. I know that isn't a precise measurement, and it may be off by a factor of 1 or 2, but it is something to help you visualize that it could bounce off the door or wall and roll across the floor a bit.
theprestige
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In a typical AR-15 action, the ejection is accomplished by a small spring, which drives a pin in the bolt face that tips the empty case sideways out the ejection port. The ejection force itself is supplied entirely by the spring, and is unrelated to the propellant force of the powder that drives the bullet.
Basically what happens is this:
First, the explosion of the powder drives the bolt back out of the chamber. The bolt face has a small latching mechanism - the extractor - that pulls the case back with it as it backs out of the chamber. All of this bolt flying backwards and pulling the case along happens with a force related to the force of the powder that caused the recoil.
Then, as the case comes clear of the chamber, alongside the ejection port, the ejection spring is able to expand, pushing the ejection pin out from the bolt face and tipping the case out the ejection port. All of this pushing the case out happens with a force related to the force of the ejection spring.
Loading the gun with a more powerful cartridge should have no effect on the ejection force provided by the ejection spring. I don't know if it's different for common 9mm pistol designs. But as far as I know, there aren't any handgun designs at all that use the recoil force to help eject the case.
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Yep normal police procedure, that is why they often kill people when they go to the wrong address by mistake. Also nothing wrong with that either. Really it was his fault for not shooting first.
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Remember the shooter is a cop, so they are going with police SOP, always shoot the black guy when they don't instantly respond and often even when they do.
theprestige
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Why would he need to have investigated the incident? The results of the investigation are documented.
On the one hand, it doesn't seem likely that an investigator would testify to his conclusions from the investigation, that weren't supported by his written report of the investigation. If he did so testify, it seems likely that his testimony would be demolished on cross-examination.
On the other hand, if the investigators documented the investigation properly, then any similarly-qualified investigator, with similar experience in that jurisdiction, should be able to read their report and come to appropriately professional conclusions from it.
I mean, that should be obvious, right? If one police detective conducts an investigation and documents their findings, we should expect any other competent police detective to be able to read that document and give a properly professional opinion on what it means.
Far enough to make it down the back of my shirt no matter how far away on the range they are being fired has been my observation.
Seriously though pretty far. Given the size of the apartment I wouldn't wager on being able to get any usable information out of where a casing was. Not only to they fly far they don't really fly in a pattern. You can fire off a dozen rounds from the same gun in the exact same position firing at the exact same target and the rounds will go everywhere.
Distracted1
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Like The Constitution?
Any two Judges reading the text would come to the same conclusion as to its' meaning?
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