plague311
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Yup, they went around and interviewed residents in the building.
Cont: Man shot, killed by off-duty Dallas police officer who walked into wrong apartment p2
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Yup, they went around and interviewed residents in the building.
ponderingturtle
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Wow dangerous building with how easy it is to kill someone for coming to your door in texas. They must have shootings pretty regularly.
Also wouldn't the fact that going to the wrong apartment is a common occurance mean that the reasonable response would be "crap wrong apartment" and not "Holy crap someone broke into my house to smoke pot and eat ice cream, bang, bang?"
Thermal
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Can you imagine that interviewer getting the assignment?
'Ok, dude, you know that building where they shoot unexpected people minding their own business? We want you to go banging on every ******* door. This is for stealing Dave's sandwich in the office fridge.'
plague311
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They haven't, but the same Texas Ranger just said he went with the defense attorneys and they did experiments multiple times on the door to test if it would close. It didn't close properly because the strike plate was not installed correctly.
Thermal
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Yup, if they read MacGruber's lock. It would say the time the correct key was inserted
eta misread. You can't tell from the key on this type, only from the lock. You'd have to check the locks, which would tell you what coded key was inserted
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Yeah those anecdotes might be helpful if she was only accused of breaking and entering, It does not cover her shooting him or killing him.
I mean the whole "But people go to the wrong apartments all the time!" thing just seems like another red herring to me because
A) They manage to do that and not shoot people sitting on their sofa eating ice cream
B) It makes it more likely, not less, that Guyger should have considered the possibility that she wasn't in the right apartment.
A) They manage to do that and not shoot people sitting on their sofa eating ice cream
B) It makes it more likely, not less, that Guyger should have considered the possibility that she wasn't in the right apartment.
Belz...
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I had the same thought. If it's something that happens from time to time you shouldn't just shoot on sight.
As you've written it, this would mean 24% of trips to an apartment end up at the wrong one. I'm sure that wasn't your intention. 24% of tenants have, at some point in their tenancy, gone to the wrong apartment?
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Thermal
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...and what is the kill rate among that 24%? Why is the entire building so much smarter than McCallister?
Distracted1
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That would, indeed, be very damning for her.
If she had not yet (she had only been in that building for a relatively short time IIRC), It is unlikely that she had any idea of how often that happens.
Distracted1
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Perhaps a mathematical probability could be worked out. It would need to include the %of residents who have walked up to the wrong door, how long (on average) they resided in the building, and how often the doors (which are expected to lock themselves) fail to do so- leading to the doors to the wrong apartments actually opening. Among other variables.
DevilsAdvocate
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Maybe she got a message earlier that day saying the maintenance was done. Or something.
The prosecution didn't mention it in the opening, so it seems there must be something that makes this not be a big deal.
Yeah the Apologists, probably including her own legal team, think they've got us trapped in a gotcha where if we agree that going to the wrong door is a legitimate mistake we just have to accept everything that happened afterwards because of in mens rea mistake of fact with sprinkles.
They are going to get a foot in the door (no pun) with the "She just made an honest mistake" thing and then try to hammer home the "Therefore it makes sense to gun down a guy sitting on a sofa eating ice cream because that's what intruders do I guess."
Whether or not anyone bites is a different story.
Distracted1
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In response to "B".
It is only more likely if she was aware of how often it happens, no?
Distracted1
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Maybe it will come up later.
Something like "why would your door be open" , reply " I thought maybe the maintenance people had left it open earlier in the day".
To me? Yes. That's why I asked about keyfob records of her going to a wrong apartment before.
To you? No you'll just argue that was something she was wrong about which makes it okay.
Again nothing will satisfy you because if she's right it's proof she's right, if she's wrong it's proof she "made a mistake" and is therefore also.... right.
Distracted1
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Of course. As exhibited by post 1093, no doubt.
Thank you for correcting my tendency to come to conclusions based upon insufficient evidence.
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