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The Trump Presidency: Sweet/Sweat 16

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Australian reporter experiences her first, live Trump press conference.

I joined as the president was explaining at length how powerful the concrete was. Very powerful, it turns out. It was unlike any wall ever built, incorporating the most advanced “concrete technology”. It was so exceptional that would-be wall-builders from three unnamed countries had visited to learn from it.

There were inner tubes in the wall that were also filled with concrete, poured in via funnels, and also “rebars” so the wall would withstand anyone attempting to cut through it with a blowtorch.

The wall went very deep and could not be burrowed under. Prototypes had been tested by 20 “world-class mountain climbers – That’s all they do, they love to climb mountains”, who had been unable to scale it.
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Is he on acid? 20 world class mountain climbers.
As a foreign reporter visiting the US I was stunned by Trump's press conference

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...e-us-i-was-stunned-by-trumps-press-conference
 
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Norman Alexander said:
The replacement for Bolton was previously the...Hey, intern! Don't walk away, come over here. How would you like to be Secretary of State for the USA?
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He was sent to Sweden to observe the racist oppression trial of ASAP Rocky for some reason.
 
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Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson expressed concern about “big, hairy men” trying to infiltrate women’s homeless shelters during an internal meeting, according to three people present who interpreted the remarks as an attack on transgender women.

While visiting HUD’s San Francisco office this week, Carson also lamented that society no longer seemed to know the difference between men and women, two of the agency staffers said.

Carson’s remarks visibly shocked and upset many of the roughly 50 HUD staffers who attended Tuesday’s meeting, and prompted at least one woman to walk out in protest, the staffers said.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...out-transgender-people-angering-agency-staff/

Big, hairy men infiltrating women’s homeless shelters. Mexicans infiltrating America. Russian's infiltrating the white house. Everything getting infiltrated these days! It's crazzzzy!
 
Horatius said:
I'm not denying that, I was explaining why the perceived "slack" we give Iran here isn't just hypocrisy. They earned a bit of slack by actually being willing to move forward, it isn't their fault the US elected a guy determined to undo everything Obama accomplished.
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I wasn't disagreeing with you.
 
Trump Tweets

Oh no, really big political news, perhaps the biggest story in years! Part time Mayor of New York City, @BilldeBlasio, who was polling at a solid ZERO but had tremendous room for growth, has shocking dropped out of the Presidential race. NYC is devastated, he’s coming home!

The Radical Left Democrats and their Fake News Media partners, headed up again by Little Adam Schiff, and batting Zero for 21 against me, are at it again! They think I may have had a “dicey” conversation with a certain foreign leader based on a “highly partisan” whistleblowers....

....statement. Strange that with so many other people hearing or knowing of the perfectly fine and respectful conversation, that they would not have also come forward. Do you know the reason why they did not? Because there was nothing said wrong, it was pitch perfect!
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

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The Radical Left Democrats and their Fake News Media partners, headed up again by Little Adam Schiff, and batting Zero for 21 against me, are at it again! They think I may have had a “dicey” conversation with a certain foreign leader based on a “highly partisan” whistleblowers....

....statement. Strange that with so many other people hearing or knowing of the perfectly fine and respectful conversation, that they would not have also come forward. Do you know the reason why they did not? Because there was nothing said wrong, it was pitch perfect!
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Okay, so is this just standard Trump BS, or did someone actually tell him exactly who made the complaint, and exactly what they were complaining about?

Both are bad, but the second is far worse, I think, because avoiding retribution by powerful malefactors is exactly why we have whistleblower protection laws. If Trump has any of this information, then someone in his employ has just **** all over that law, too.
 
A question that might have come up earlier, but is now specifically related to the whistleblower and apparent cover-up, and the underlying intelligence breach by Trump:

If a court (let's say the supreme, just to be safe) says that the Trump admin has to share the report to congress that the DNI director intercepted, and the Trump admin then flatly refuses or presents a heavily redacted report, what happens? How is the court order enforced on the President of the US?

And one step further, let's say the report shows that Trump has committed a flagrant breach of national security, what can be done? Assuming the Senate won't convict and that the GOP critters keep running interference instead of caring about their country.

I guess the question is really "what if the President and his entire party simply stops worrying about following the law?" What's the remedy?
 
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uke2se said:
A question that might have come up earlier, but is now specifically related to the whistleblower and apparent cover-up, and the underlying intelligence breach by Trump:

If a court (let's say the supreme, just to be safe) says that the Trump admin has to share the report to congress that the DNI director intercepted, and the Trump admin then flatly refuses or presents a heavily redacted report, what happens? How is the court order enforced on the President of the US?

And one step further, let's say the report shows that Trump has committed a flagrant breach of national security, what can be done? Assuming the Senate won't convict and that the GOP critters keep running interference instead of caring about their country.

I guess the question is really "what if the President and his entire party simply stops worrying about following the law?" What's the remedy?
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It seems to me the only real remedy would be impeachment, which could take a while unless the Republicans decide to abandon Trump.
 
uke2se said:
A question that might have come up earlier, but is now specifically related to the whistleblower and apparent cover-up, and the underlying intelligence breach by Trump:

If a court (let's say the supreme, just to be safe) says that the Trump admin has to share the report to congress that the DNI director intercepted, and the Trump admin then flatly refuses or presents a heavily redacted report, what happens? How is the court order enforced on the President of the US?

And one step further, let's say the report shows that Trump has committed a flagrant breach of national security, what can be done? Assuming the Senate won't convict and that the GOP critters keep running interference instead of caring about their country.

I guess the question is really "what if the President and his entire party simply stops worrying about following the law?" What's the remedy?
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Some have speculated that when President Jackson heard news of the Worcester v Georgia decision, he commented, “John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it!"

I guess in theory, SCOTUS could ask the US Marshals to carry out their decision. I have no idea how that might work out given that the marshals and FBI are in the executive branch and no one could doubt that President Trump would try to prevent them from doing anything.

Short answer: I haven’t a clue.
 
Ladewig said:
Some have speculated that when President Jackson heard news of the Worcester v Georgia decision, he commented, “John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it!"

I guess in theory, SCOTUS could ask the US Marshals to carry out their decision. I have no idea how that might work out given that the marshals and FBI are in the executive branch and no one could doubt that President Trump would try to prevent them from doing anything.

Short answer: I haven’t a clue.
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Somebody should probably start figuring it out, because soon it might well be the situation you guys are in.
 
uke2se said:
If a court (let's say the supreme, just to be safe) says that the Trump admin has to share the report to congress that the DNI director intercepted, and the Trump admin then flatly refuses or presents a heavily redacted report, what happens? How is the court order enforced on the President of the US?
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A bunch of talking heads will go on TV blustering about how he can't do that, and he'll do it anyway.

Trump has shown us how much of the "system" up until this point has worked on the honor system and how much it breaks when an agent is introduced that has none.

He was talking about the Mueller Report in a slightly different context, but the point is still the same, when Bill Maher was talking about Trump being functionally above the law.

"The Constitution only has two recourses for an evil President; the 25th amendment which allows the Cabinet to remove a President who is crazy or incapacitated, which might work if Trump's Cabinet wasn't crazy and incapacitated, and Impeachment. But Impeachment means nothing without conviction which requires 67 votes in the Senate, not gonna happen.

And in that atmosphere the President doesn't have to do anything, except explore how far he can go until he's stopped, like he used to do with dressing rooms at the Miss Universe pageant.

Here's what's gonna happen. Mueller will request an interview. Trump will say no. Mueller will then subpeona Trump. Trump will say 'Go Fish.' It will go to the Supreme Court. They are partisan now too, but let's say they do the right thing and order him to honor the subpeona, and he still says no. What do we do then call Dog the Bounty Hunter?

And that's when the same 'experts' will be saying 'A President has never defied the Supreme Court!' STOP SAYING HE'LL NEVER DO THAT! He always does that! 'This is not normal' is not an argument that works on Donald Trump. That's the kind of dare that makes him hard.

If the Supreme Court rules against Trump, he'll just attack them and they'll be the new 'Deep State' enemy like the FBI and the Justice Department and their rulings will be 'Fake News'."
 
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slyjoe said:
It seems to me the only real remedy would be impeachment, which could take a while unless the Republicans decide to abandon Trump.
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Yes.
While the 25th Amendment may appear to be an alternative solution, it requires both a majority of the cabinet (or is it a subset of the cabinet?) and 2/3 majority in both chambers.

I suppose a well-written SCOTUS decision might influence the cabinet members, but the scenario says that you can’t get the congressional votes.

And the other variable is VP Pence. What would happen if Pres Trump were removed from office and VPOTUS said, “no, I disagree with his removal, so I will not take office and I will work to prevent anyone else in the line of succession from taking office”?
 
Ladewig said:
Yes.
While the 25th Amendment may appear to be an alternative solution, it requires both a majority of the cabinet (or is it a subset of the cabinet?) and 2/3 majority in both chambers.

I suppose a well-written SCOTUS decision might influence the cabinet members, but the scenario says that you can’t get the congressional votes.

And the other variable is VP Pence. What would happen if Pres Trump were removed from office and VPOTUS said, “no, I disagree with his removal, so I will not take office and I will work to prevent anyone else in the line of succession from taking office”?
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I'm trying to brainstorm a list of people who would argue with Pence to convince him to take the presidency. So far, counting both sides of the political fence, I can only come up with one name, and it's Mother Pence.
 
JoeMorgue said:
A bunch of talking heads will go on TV blustering about how he can't do that, and he'll do it anyway.

Trump has shown us how much of the "system" up until this point has worked on the honor system and how much it breaks when an agent is introduced that has none.

He was talking about the Mueller Report in a slightly different context, but the point is still the same, when Bill Maher was talking about Trump being functionally above the law.

"The Constitution only has two recourses for an evil President; the 25th amendment which allows the Cabinet to remove a President who is crazy or incapacitated, which might work if Trump's Cabinet wasn't crazy and incapacitated, and Impeachment. But Impeachment means nothing without conviction which requires 67 votes in the Senate, not gonna happen.

And in that atmosphere the President doesn't have to do anything, except explore how far he can go until he's stopped, like he used to do with dressing rooms at the Miss Universe pageant.

Here's what's gonna happen. Mueller will request an interview. Trump will say no. Mueller will then subpeona Trump. Trump will say 'Go Fish.' It will go to the Supreme Court. They are partisan now too, but let's say they do the right thing and order him to honor the subpeona, and he still says no. What do we do then call Dog the Bounty Hunter?

And that's when the same 'experts' will be saying 'A President has never defied the Supreme Court!' STOP SAYING HE'LL NEVER DO THAT! He always does that! 'This is not normal' is not an argument that works on Donald Trump. That's the kind of dare that makes him hard.

If the Supreme Court rules against Trump, he'll just attack them and they'll be the new 'Deep State' enemy like the FBI and the Justice Department and their rulings will be 'Fake News'."
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And the other variable: at what point willl President Trump make a thinly veiled request that citizens turn violent to protect him? It is pretty clear he is not beyond doing that if he thinks things have reached a drastic point.
 
You guys need another revolution, a complete start-over. Your constitution isn't worth the paper it's written on.
 
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