The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 29

[LondonJohn]

Obsruction of Justice, the US equalivalent of criminal calumny (obstructing investigative officers / trying to pervert justice) or the UK version of 'perverting the curse of justice', typically attracts a jail sentence of 'up to five years', roughly equivalent to Italy's six year's max. Knox was lucky she only got three years for her deliberately, knowingly and falsely accusing an innocent man of the rape and murder of her roommate.

The Supreme Cort ruled - this is a final legal fact, set in stone - she did so to cover up for Rudy Guede.

Think hard. Why do you think she 'covered up for Rudy Guede'?

You can deny it is much as you like but your claim, 'no way would Amanda associate with Rudy', is just projection of your own prejudice.

Sometimes I think you haven't even heard of - let alone actually read - the ECHR adjudication, Vixen.

 

[Vixen]

Think of the pain that caused Arline and the knock- on effect on her kids.

You really do see this as being Meredith versus Amanda.

Mez had her life taken away by Amanda, who as a legal fact was present during her murder and never once called the emergency services or went to the neighbours to get help, and you think she is fair game for mocking.

Shocking!!!

 

[LondonJohn]

Oh and Vixen, could you please post the evidence underpinning your claim that the Knox family engaged in a "$2 million PR campaign"?

Thanks in advance......

 

[Vixen]

Sometimes I think you haven't even heard of - let alone actually read - the ECHR adjudication, Vixen.

They look at Human Rights errors. They keep well away from the issues of guilt and innocence.

 

[LondonJohn]

You really do see this as being Meredith versus Amanda.

Mez had her life taken away by Amanda, who as a legal fact was present during her murder and never once called the emergency services or went to the neighbours to get help, and you think she is fair game for mocking.

Shocking!!!

I guess it's really not at all surprising that you don't understand (or feign not to understand) the real reason why Stacy (and I) made a comparative "argument" in respect of Kercher's parent.

 

[LondonJohn]

They look at Human Rights errors. They keep well away from the issues of guilt and innocence.

As I said: sometimes I think you haven't even heard of - let alone actually read - the ECHR adjudication, Vixen.

 

[LondonJohn]

Sorry? Unless you are presenting this as a reason behind Mez being a murder victim, you are merely being obnoxious.

It would take the military-grade armour-plated model of the Irony-o-meter to handle this doozy.....

 

[Vixen]

I guess it's really not at all surprising that you don't understand (or feign not to understand) the real reason why Stacy (and I) made a comparative "argument" in respect of Kercher's parent.

You think that forensic psychologists who research reasons for an apparently senseless crime, should also research the victims as well, for the false equivalent reason of fairness?

It matters not whether Mez lived in an igloo or tent. She could have been a duchess or a striptease artist. However, the background of her killers does matter.

It is a legal fact set in perpetuity that there was more than one killer.

The only other persons present along with Rudy was Knox (for definite) and Raff (almost certainly). That is the legal ruling. Police are looking for no-one else.

No amount of PR or fan worship can cover that up.

 

[LondonJohn]

You think that forensic psychologist who research reasons why an apparently senseless crime should also research the victims as well for the false equivalent reason of fariness?

It matters not whether Mez lived in an Igloo or tent. She could have been a duchess or a striptease artist. However, the background of her killers does matter.

It is a legal fact set in perpetuity that there was more than one killer.

The only other persons present along with Rudy was KNox (for definite) and Raff (almost certainly. That is the legal ruling.

No amount of PR or fan worship can cover that up.

Oh brother.

Again I say: sometimes I think you haven't even heard of - let alone actually read - the ECHR adjudication, Vixen.

Or, for that matter, the Marasca SC panel verdict and MR.

(And would, say, $2 million-worth of PR "cover that up", Vixen? )

 

[Stacyhs]

As I said, no one, including you, has presented evidence of this. That is not my opinion. It is a fact.

Would that be the same public record fact as in Amanda's US felony record that has also never been produced even though it would be a matter of public record... if it existed?

Obsruction of Justice, the US equalivalent of criminal calumny (obstructing investigative officers / trying to pervert justice) or the UK version of 'perverting the curse of justice', typically attracts a jail sentence of 'up to five years', roughly equivalent to Italy's six year's max. Knox was lucky she only got three years for her deliberately, knowingly and falsely accusing an innocent man of the rape and murder of her roommate.

The Supreme Cort ruled - this is a final legal fact, set in stone - she did so to cover up for Rudy Guede.

Think hard. Why do you think she 'covered up for Rudy Guede'?

You can deny it is much as you like but your claim, 'no way would Amanda associate with Rudy', is just projection of your own prejudice.

Please correct my quote that has been credited to you in #2759

Changing the subject much there, Vix? I never mentioned Guede. Try reading my post above again. Concentrate real hard. Then try and answer my actual question. Your misdirection isn't going to work.

 

[Stacyhs]

You really do see this as being Meredith versus Amanda.

Mez had her life taken away by Amanda, who as a legal fact was present during her murder and never once called the emergency services or went to the neighbours to get help, and you think she is fair game for mocking.

Shocking!!!

Oh, cut the feigned outrage, Vix. You're the Queen of Meredith vs. Amanda.

Mez Meredith had her life taken away by Guede, who as a legal fact was present during her murder, murdered her, and never once called the emergency services or went to the neighbors to get help, and I think you are fair game for mocking.

Shocking!!!

 

[Stacyhs]

I guess it's really not at all surprising that you don't understand (or feign not to understand) the real reason why Stacy (and I) made a comparative "argument" in respect of Kercher's parent.

It's not surprising at all. Sad, innit?

 

[Stacyhs]

You think that forensic psychologists who research reasons for an apparently senseless crime, should also research the victims as well, for the false equivalent reason of fairness?

It matters not whether Mez lived in an igloo or tent. She could have been a duchess or a striptease artist. However, the background of her killers does matter.
It is a legal fact set in perpetuity that there was more than one killer.

The only other persons present along with Rudy was Knox (for definite) and Raff (almost certainly). That is the legal ruling. Police are looking for no-one else.

No amount of PR or fan worship can cover that up.

Then I suggest you dissect the killer's background. There's a lot written about Guede's difficult childhood. Abandoned by his mother and virtually ignored by his father, etc. You can really sink your fangs into that story!

It is also a legal fact in perpetuity that neither Knox nor Sollecito was involved in Meredith's death.

No amount of TJMK/PGP PR can change that.

There's a reason the police aren't bothering to look for anyone else: there is no evidence whatsoever in that bedroom of any other person except Meredith and Guede. I suppose they could try and find those other men who left their DNA on the bra hook. After all, that can't be there through contamination so they must have been handling Meredith's bra.

 

[Bill Williams]

Sorry? Unless you are presenting this as a reason behind Mez being a murder victim, you are merely being obnoxious.

Please stop.

 

[toto]

Citation please.

I googled plane flights from Florence Italy to Seattle and got it from one of the websites .If you google those exact words you will get about 6 companies' quotes. I did not put in Florence South Carolina as I just checked. I have to admit I might have got lucky because the best I could do for tomorrow with two stops is about £700. I am sure there is a whole range of prices one can get and would concede the ones I quoted are the lowest. I hope this does not put you to any trouble in providing citations if asked by fellow posters.

 

[Bill Williams]

You really do see this as being Meredith versus Amanda.

Mez

Please quit being creepy.

had her life taken away by Amanda, who as a legal fact was present during her murder and never once called the emergency services or went to the neighbours to get help, and you think she is fair game for mocking.

Shocking!!!

Please quit your PR campaign of arguing exactly the opposite of what the courts found. For the 178th time, this is what the final court wrtoe **in 2015**....

Any further and more meaningful value would be, in fact,
resisted by the fact - which is decisive - that no trace leading to her was found at the
scene of the crime or on the victim’s body, so that - if all the above is accepted - her contact with the victim’s blood would have occurred after the crime and in another part of the house.​

 

[acbytesla]

Unsurprisingly, this is (yet) another giant lie.

The BA website shows tickets on sale, right this moment, on this route (LHR to all NY airports), for today, for £1,581 economy (and £6,638 business). That's the same for every single BA (and codeshare partners) flight today, including the first flight leaving at 08.25.

And we already know that Knox and her family were upgraded at the check in desk by BA. So the correct figure would be £1,581.

Plus we also know that BA assisted in the fare in any case. So the actual price paid per ticket by the Knox family would likely have been much lower than that.

I simply cannot be bothered to screen-print this, but if you absolutely insist I will do so.

Why do you continue to issue forth these sorts of lies, Vixen? I'm genuinely interested to know.

This argument about the cost of booking a commercial seat at the last minute is a nonsense absurd diversion. It still would be one hell of a lot less expensive than to fly a private jet from Rome to Seattle. And that comparison is a red herring because we've all have seen and can view on YouTube that Knox and her family flew commercial, they flew on British Airways flight 553.

Being skeptical that Knox flew commercial because last minute flights are expensive with the overwhelming evidence that she did just that is just insane denial.

 

[Stacyhs]

This argument about the cost of booking a commercial seat at the last minute is a nonsense absurd diversion. It still would be one hell of a lot less expensive than to fly a private jet from Rome to Seattle. And that comparison is a red herring because we've all have seen and can view on YouTube that Knox and her family flew commercial, they flew on British Airways flight 553.

Being skeptical that Knox flew commercial because last minute flights are expensive with the overwhelming evidence that she did just that is just insane denial.

Of course it's diversion. Just as Vixen's post #2759 is a classic example of diversion.

I thought a little progress was being made in being able to admit error when Vixen wrote "OK, fair enough" when acbytesla, once again, presented the evidence that Knox flew home on a regularly scheduled flight two continuations before. But it seems not. She's right back to making the same false claim.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12285788#post12285788

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12820707#post12820707

 

[acbytesla]

Of course it's diversion. Just as Vixen's post #2759 is a classic example of diversion.

I thought a little progress was being made in being able to admit error when Vixen wrote "OK, fair enough" when acbytesla, once again, presented the evidence that Knox flew home on a regularly scheduled flight two continuations before. But it seems not. She's right back to making the same false claim.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12285788#post12285788

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12820707#post12820707

Very little progress.

Actually, I thought she would do exactly what she has done. I had been requesting that Vixen admit she was wrong about the private jet story and she still wouldn't do it despite video evidence and British Airways flight schedules between Rome and London. Instead she couldn't bring herself to say/write "she was wrong or something similar, but instead replied with the dodgy and weak response of "fair enough".

This is so much like Donald Trump it's amazing. Both the Donald and Vixen lie about everything. Even the incredibly irrelevant. And they cannot admit they were wrong. I mean whether Amanda flew on a private jet or on a broom doesn't have a damn thing to do with her guilt or innocence. So why lie about it?

 

[Stacyhs]

Very little progress.

Actually, I thought she would do exactly what she has done. I had been requesting that Vixen admit she was wrong about the private jet story and she still wouldn't do it despite video evidence and British Airways flight schedules between Rome and London. Instead she couldn't bring herself to say/write "she was wrong or something similar, but instead replied with the dodgy and weak response of "fair enough".

This is so much like Donald Trump it's amazing. Both the Donald and Vixen lie about everything. Even the incredibly irrelevant. And they cannot admit they were wrong. I mean whether Amanda flew on a private jet or on a broom doesn't have a damn thing to do with her guilt or innocence. So why lie about it?

Why? Because no opportunity, however insignificant and/or false, to present Knox in a negative light can be missed. It's TJMK's and their members' raison d'être .