The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 29

[Vixen]

You really don't know a lot about this case, do you?

Re Curt Knox:

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Oh, the IRONY!
Your 'source' is Slick Pete Quennell. No wonder you provided no evidence of your just copied from him nonsense because neither did he. Not surprising. None of the above is true. "We are told"...BWAAAAHAAAHAAAA!


The first temporary order of support is from 1989, the year Curt and Edda divorced. This is the initial temporary order of support from that divorce. Notice that the PETITIONER IS CURT, EDDA IS THE RESPONDENT. You do know the petitioner is the person who brings the court action, right?



It had nothing to do with Curt not paying his child support.

The second order was SEVEN YEARS later (1996), and once again, brought by Curt, not Edda. This is an order of back child support that goes to "DOB 12:20:1988". That would be her sister Deanna's birthday, not Amanda's. This may be where you got the false story that Curt denied Amanda was his daughter; he may have not been paying child support for Deanna.

What is NOT a guess is that your and Pete's nonsense about Edda taking Curt to court over and over again for not paying Amanda's child support is FALSE. As for Pete's pathetic "And we are told that Curt Knox was counseled by one or more judges to get himself some anger management therapy," there is also no evidence of that ever happening. I wonder if this is the same person who "told" (wink,wink, finger alongside nose) Slick Pete that Sollecito and Gumbel would be publicly apologizing to Mignini any day now. How many years has it been?

Oh dear. Curt is simply obtaining 'satisfaction' for having complied with the court order for child maintenance. Why don't you read it properly.

http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/perugia/CurtKnoxchildsupport.pdf

Well, we know why you feign to be convinced otherwise because of your need to sanitisise anything to do with your idol.

 

[bagels]

Well, we know why you feign to be convinced otherwise because of your need to sanitisise anything to do with your idol.

Nobody in this thread cares as much about Amanda Knox as you. I don't know anything about the divorce, custody, or drama status of the Knox family *in Gandalf voice* for which I'm very thankful!

 

[Vixen]

I know the pound isn't what it use to be, but the 10,000 pound price is bs. I just checked on getting flights from Rome to Seattle for tomorrow. They are expensive. But you can book a flight for under 2000 US dollars. The most expensive tickets were close to 5000.

And what Vixen isn't taking into account was the family's relationship with British Airways and that they had planned the travel arrangements not at the last minute but well before that. They had made contingency plans for either scenario

They were frequent flyers. An employee of British Airways in Seattle has been a member of Friends of Amanda had been donating to the family discounted travel for the 4 years Amanda had been in prison.

So Vixen does it again. She makes up out of whole cloth a story to explain why Amanda didn't fly commercial despite having seen the unmistakable video of Amanda and her family passing through the British Airways gate in Rome clearly marked with "BA553 Departing 11:45 Boarding 11:15 and the video of the British Airways 747 touching down at SeaTac.

This isn't skepticism Vixen, it is willful ignorance.

The earliest available ticket, LHR to NYC, as of today, is £9.4K you won't get a cheap ticket. Flights to the US from Europe mostly go via London or Paris.

 

[Vixen]

I don't know about Perugia, but I could get a single ticket to Seattle from Florence tomorrow for £544 . Of course there would be more than one person travelling, but I wonder if your pricing is on the higher end of what is possible.

Citation please.

 

[Vixen]

Additionally, I learned that where you want to study is very important as to the rate of acceptance. Paris is highly sought after so the requirements are higher than for those who go to a small, less popular town like Perugia. This discussion among students applying to or attending Erasmus programs certainly doesn't present it as somehow 'prestigious'.
https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2561522

You say "Even Raff himself had an Erasmus exchange in Germany once" as if that is somehow special. It's not.

This "3 month" language course factoid has been disproved numerous times, but as usual, it goes in one ear and out the other. Amanda was NOT doing a 3 month course. She was to study in Perugia for NINE months and then go to Rome to do a creative writing course in Italian.

(WTBH page 7)

How long will it be before you repeat the lie yet again that it was only a "3 month course"?

No one claimed Erasmus was 'rubbish'; it's just not the high falutin' prestigious and vastly superior program you make it out to be in an attempt to glorify Meredith and trash Amanda.

Unfortunately for you there is only one truth no matter how much you try to dress up falsities in great color.

Nine months? Really? So how come Knox only had US$4K to support herself during that time?


Desperately needed €300 to pay for drugs. Meredith Kercher's rent money mysteriously missing and Knox richer by that sum.

 

[Vixen]

Wow. You just cannot admit that Curt and Cassandra weren't living in a nicer house and neighborhood and were "infinitely better off" than Edda and Chris!

You just ignore the fact that I provided pictures of each house and their square footage to show that your claim is false. Instead, you go off some ridiculous tangent that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. I put up their values TODAY to show that they are relatively equal in value and not to show that "silly prices doesn't mean the property is anything particularly special". You really just have no clue, do you? Stop embarrassing yourself.

It is not my claim as I have never been to Seattle to judge. It is a press/author claim that Curt and Cassandra lived in a nicer area. It could be Edda moved after hooking up with Chris. It doesn't change the fact of where Knox spent her childhood years.

There's no shame in it. However, fact is, Curt abandoned his family with Edda to start a new one with another woman. No matter how much you rail against the truth.

 

[Vixen]

I thought about this more and I suspect that (highlighted) was not the case.

The petitioner was Curt, not Edda. Why would Curt petition the court regarding child support only for Deanna? . No records were produced by Quennell (or anyone else) showing that EDDA had ever taken Curt to court for non-payment. Why is that? It's quite possible that Curt was paying the support but, for some reason, may have questioned whether he was Deanna's father. He may have petitioned the court to be reimbursed by Edda for the payments back to Deanna's birth...which indicates he HAD been making payments since her birth. This would explain why the subject is 'back child support" to DOB. The court found in Edda's favor and against Curt.

I'm not a lawyer but I'm trying to figure out a logical reason why
Curt would take Edda to court seven years after Deanna's birth. If Curt did question Deanna's paternity, this could explain the bitter divorce between Curt and Edda the year following her birth. This could also be the origins of the PGP claim that Curt denied he was Amanda's father. They just got the wrong daughter.

Once again, I'm not claiming this WAS the case, but it certainly explains what's on the court order.

That's not the only public record document that shows Curt was taken to court for child maintenance. The point is, Curt was an angry cruel father who not only abandoned his first family, failed to pay child support and turfed Knox out of the bedroom she was used to on her child custody visits at the weekend to make her lie on a sofabed instead but also gave his two new daughters with his new wife names that also had the initials A and D.

Think of the pain that caused Edda and the knock on effect on her kids.

 

[Vixen]

For some people its not about being right or wrong. Instead, it's simply a game. The more frustration and anger caused, the better.

Speak for yourself.

 

[Stacyhs]

Oh dear. Curt is simply obtaining 'satisfaction' for having complied with the court order for child maintenance. Why don't you read it properly.

http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/perugia/CurtKnoxchildsupport.pdf

Well, we know why you feign to be convinced otherwise because of your need to sanitisise anything to do with your idol.

Oh dear. All you did was link to the same court document. Nothing new. Would you care to explain why that document pertained ONLY to Deanna and not Amanda? NO?
Isn't your claim that Edda took Curt to court over and over because 'Daddy abandoned (Amanda) as a kid to start a family with another woman."
Why, yes...yes it was.

I notice you don't refer to the first court order that you and Pete presented as evidence that Curt wasn't paying child support. Did it finally sink in that it's the initial temporary order for support issued upon their divorce and had nothing to do with non-payment?

"We" know? Who would that be? You and all the other PGP here?

...Looks around and sees no one but you...

 

[Stacyhs]

You are deluded. Knox lived in a run-down working class area. Curt and Cassandra lived in a nicer neighbourhood, gave their daughters the same initials as Amanda and Deanna and when Curt took away Amanda's regular bedroom where she usually stayed when visiting, Amanda threw a hissy teenage fit and refused to visit again.
>snipped for nonsense<.

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Cassandra may have lived two blocks away but they were definitely in a nicer house and better off.

It is not my claim as I have never been to Seattle to judge. It is a press/author claim that Curt and Cassandra lived in a nicer area. It could be Edda moved after hooking up with Chris. It doesn't change the fact of where Knox spent her childhood years.

Oh dear, Vix! That press/author must have hacked your account! That wasn't YOU saying those things, was it? I suggest you change your password.

Edda and Chris bought that house in 1990, the year after she and Curt were divorced. Look up the address. It gives the sale history.

There's no shame in it. However, fact is it's a lie that, Curt abandoned his family with Edda to start a new one with another woman. No matter how much you rail against the truth.

FTFY.

LOL. Since when is deliberately having a house two blocks from your ex-wife so you can have your daughters over on a regular basis and attending their school functions etc on a regular basis 'abandoning' them? No matter how much you try and twist the facts to fit your warped view, they're still the facts.

It does not go unnoticed that you have presented ZERO evidence of your ridiculous allegation.

 

[Vixen]

Oh dear. All you did was link to the same court document. Nothing new. Would you care to explain why that document pertained ONLY to Deanna and not Amanda? NO?
Isn't your claim that Edda took Curt to court over and over because 'Daddy abandoned (Amanda) as a kid to start a family with another woman."
Why, yes...yes it was.

I notice you don't refer to the first court order that you and Pete presented as evidence that Curt wasn't paying child support. Did it finally sink in that it's the initial temporary order for support issued upon their divorce and had nothing to do with non-payment?

"We" know? Who would that be? You and all the other PGP here?

...Looks around and sees no one but you...

As I said, it is an established fact Curt was taken to court on numerous occasions for failure to pay child support and there are plenty of public records that show this. It is not my opinion. It is a public record fact.

 

[LondonJohn]

The earliest available ticket, LHR to NYC, as of today, is £9.4K you won't get a cheap ticket. Flights to the US from Europe mostly go via London or Paris.

Unsurprisingly, this is (yet) another giant lie.

The BA website shows tickets on sale, right this moment, on this route (LHR to all NY airports), for today, for £1,581 economy (and £6,638 business). That's the same for every single BA (and codeshare partners) flight today, including the first flight leaving at 08.25.

And we already know that Knox and her family were upgraded at the check in desk by BA. So the correct figure would be £1,581.

Plus we also know that BA assisted in the fare in any case. So the actual price paid per ticket by the Knox family would likely have been much lower than that.

I simply cannot be bothered to screen-print this, but if you absolutely insist I will do so.

Why do you continue to issue forth these sorts of lies, Vixen? I'm genuinely interested to know.

 

[LondonJohn]

It is not my claim as I have never been to Seattle to judge. It is a press/author claim that Curt and Cassandra lived in a nicer area. It could be Edda moved after hooking up with Chris. It doesn't change the fact of where Knox spent her childhood years.

There's no shame in it. However, fact is, Curt abandoned his family with Edda to start a new one with another woman. No matter how much you rail against the truth.

Just like that nasty John Kercher abandoned his family, eh?

Your "arguments" are disgusting, Vixen. Please stop and think about the sort of spiteful, evidence-free bile you're writing.

 

[LondonJohn]

Oh dear, Vix! That press/author must have hacked your account! That wasn't YOU saying those things, was it? I suggest you change your password.

Edda and Chris bought that house in 1990, the year after she and Curt were divorced. Look up the address. It gives the sale history.




FTFY.

LOL. Since when is deliberately having a house two blocks from your ex-wife so you can have your daughters over on a regular basis and attending their school functions etc on a regular basis 'abandoning' them? No matter how much you try and twist the facts to fit your warped view, they're still the facts.

It does not go unnoticed that you have presented ZERO evidence of your ridiculous allegation.

Yep. Exactly. Yet more evidence of Vixen electing to serve up a tissue of lies based on willfully-incorrect hearsay and Chinese whispers, simply (apparently) because it vilifies Knox and her family. Says a lot really about the way the pro-guilt community chooses to go about its business........

 

[Stacyhs]

That's not the only public record document that shows Curt was taken to court for child maintenance.

Then present them. We're still waiting for you to present Amanda's felony criminal record here in the US. And Sollecito's public apology to Mignini. And Marriott's statement that he was paid $2 Million...or was that Curt? Put up or shut up. Your and Pete's claims are as credible as Trump's.

The point is, Curt was an angry cruel father who not only abandoned his first family, failed to pay child support and turfed Knox out of the bedroom she was used to on her child custody visits at the weekend to make her lie on a sofabed instead but also gave his two new daughters with his new wife names that also had the initials A and D.

Think of the pain that caused Edda and the knock on effect on her kids.

The point is, you have no evidence that " Curt was an angry cruel father who not only abandoned his first family, failed to pay child support". I have never seen anyone else but you make that "angry cruel"claim* . And we know how much that's worth, don't we Miss Napapijri Jacket- Raff is Left Handed?

... turfed Knox out of the bedroom she was used to on her child custody visits at the weekend to make her lie on a sofabed

Wait a minute. You just literally said in the same sentence that Curt abandoned his first family. Now he had her on weekend visits? You can't keep your lies straight long enough to get from the beginning of a sentence to the middle of it before contradicting yourself. Are you channeling Trump?

What would you have had Curt do? Toss the two much younger girls who lived there full time out of their own beds in order to let the two older girls sleep in there? You act as if sleeping on a sofabed for a couple nights a week is somehow cruel and unusual punishment.

What is your problem with the names Ashley and Delaney? Do you think Cassandra had no input into what she named her children? What warped thinking leads you to think there was some kind of corrupt intention on Curt's part? Has it ever occurred to you that Curt and Cassandra just LIKED those names ? Nah...you have to impart some nefarious intent to it. That is what is malicious. EW. Just EW.

ETA:* You and Pete Quennell who also never presented any evidence. But that's not your source, is it? Is it?

 

[Stacyhs]

As I said, it is an established fact Curt was taken to court on numerous occasions for failure to pay child support and there are plenty of public records that show this. It is not my opinion. It is a public record fact.

As I said, no one, including you, has presented evidence of this. That is not my opinion. It is a fact.

Would that be the same public record fact as in Amanda's US felony record that has also never been produced even though it would be a matter of public record... if it existed?

 

[Stacyhs]

Nine months? Really? So how come Knox only had US$4K to support herself during that time?

What part of this are you having trouble understanding? The 'nine months part' or the 'nine months part'?

Then, I found out that that the Univ. of WA hosted a creative writing program in Rome, taught in Italian, it felt like kismet. It combined everything I was looking for. Step one was to master Italian and immerse myself in the culture for nine months in tiny Perugia. Then I'd be ready to take on Rome in June.

(WTBH page 7)

She was also working, remember? According to Dempsey, she also had several more thousand in reserve in the US.

Desperately needed €300 to pay for drugs. Meredith Kercher's rent money mysteriously missing and Knox richer by that sum.

Damn, Vix! You almost made me spit my coffee out all over my keyboard. Yep, she was so desperate that she didn't think to just withdraw €300 from her checking account that had over $4,000 in it! Then, instead of taking that €300 that she so "desperately needed for drugs", she puts it into her checking account instead of buying drugs with it! And she never thought to just get her weed from Raff! Do you ever think before you post? Or do you just type in a stream of (semi) consciousness?

 

[Stacyhs]

Just like that nasty John Kercher abandoned his family, eh?

Your "arguments" are disgusting, Vixen. Please stop and think about the sort of spiteful, evidence-free bile you're writing.

Think of the pain that caused Arline and the knock- on effect on her kids.

 

[Vixen]

As I said, no one, including you, has presented evidence of this. That is not my opinion. It is a fact.

Would that be the same public record fact as in Amanda's US felony record that has also never been produced even though it would be a matter of public record... if it existed?

Obsruction of Justice, the US equalivalent of criminal calumny (obstructing investigative officers / trying to pervert justice) or the UK version of 'perverting the curse of justice', typically attracts a jail sentence of 'up to five years', roughly equivalent to Italy's six year's max. Knox was lucky she only got three years for her deliberately, knowingly and falsely accusing an innocent man of the rape and murder of her roommate.

The Supreme Cort ruled - this is a final legal fact, set in stone - she did so to cover up for Rudy Guede.

Think hard. Why do you think she 'covered up for Rudy Guede'?

You can deny it is much as you like but your claim, 'no way would Amanda associate with Rudy', is just projection of your own prejudice.

 

[Vixen]

Just like that nasty John Kercher abandoned his family, eh?

Your "arguments" are disgusting, Vixen. Please stop and think about the sort of spiteful, evidence-free bile you're writing.

Sorry? Unless you are presenting this as a reason behind Mez being a murder victim, you are merely being obnoxious.