Cont: Brexit: Now What? Magic 8 Ball's up

[P.J. Denyer]

You normally don't have weeks to make that decision. For a referendum you do.

You have weeks if you want weeks, are you denying that false advertising is subject to regulation?

 

[BobTheCoward]

You have weeks if you want weeks, are you denying that false advertising is subject to regulation?

Why would I confirm or deny an irrelevant detail?

But if you will feel better with my approval, then yes, in some countries there are false advertising laws. I actually don't know what the law in the UK is.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

I disagree, if a salesman or advertiser deliberately misleads you and you buy a product based on features you were assured it had, but mislead you have cause for redress. We have advertising standards for a reason. It's shocking that politicians who will run the country are held to a lower standard than car salesmen.

a 14 day cooling off period on elections or referendums sounds ideal.

 

[The Atheist]

Who do you think city in NZ was named after?

Not a who, what?

Wellington is named after a type of boot that is universally known in NZ as gumboots, but early settlers thought "Gumboot" didn't sound Parliamentary enough, so they went with what Poms call them.

I'd be confident well under 10% of Kiwis know who Arthur Wellesley was, or that the capital was named after his conferred title.

 

[Pixel42]

I disagree, if a salesman or advertiser deliberately misleads you and you buy a product based on features you were assured it had, but mislead you have cause for redress. We have advertising standards for a reason. It's shocking that politicians who will run the country are held to a lower standard than car salesmen.

When that information is freely available to anyone who bothers to look for it there is really no excuse for believing obvious lies rather than do so.

No-one who isn't already prejudiced against "foreigners" would believe the bendy bananas BS, or any of the other nonsense Leave voters swallowed whole without making the slightest effort to check was actually true.

 

[The Don]

Thanks for that. My medications are on that list. If I abruptly stop posting after a no-deal Brexit, I guess you'll all know why...

ETA: Mind you, it's already cost a significant chunk of my income and my wife's career so why not?

I'm really sorry to hear that.

The "no possible downside, only a significant upside" Brexiteers need to hear this kind of thing (not that they'd likely care) to understand the damage that their little "adventure" is already causing.

 

[Darat]

I'm really sorry to hear that.



The "no possible downside, only a significant upside" Brexiteers need to hear this kind of thing (not that they'd likely care) to understand the damage that their little "adventure" is already causing.

I suspect many will consider such sacrifices to be worth it to be "free" of the EU.

 

[The Don]

When that information is freely available to anyone who bothers to look for it there is really no excuse for believing obvious lies rather than do so.

No-one who isn't already prejudiced against "foreigners" would believe the bendy bananas BS, or any of the other nonsense Leave voters swallowed whole without making the slightest effort to check was actually true.

Yes, they really do stretch the credulity of their readers. Daddy Don used to spend about half of our weekly telephone conversation railing about things he'd read in the Daily Telegraph. Almost without exception I was able to show that they were either complete nonsense or were a gross misinterpretation of reality. Not every octogenarian has their own personal fact-checker. "Fortunately" his dementia has progressed so he no longer reads the paper. Unfortunately he also can no longer use a phone, even with the assistance of the lovely ladies in his care home .

 

[The Don]

I suspect many will consider such sacrifices to be worth it to be "free" of the EU.

......especially if those negative consequences happen to other people. I suspect it may be different if they lose their own job.

 

[The Don]

One of the key drivers for Brexit was opposition to (non-white) immigration.

One of the things that inflated non-EU immigration was non-EU students staying after their course was complete. To counter this Theresa May's government introduced rules to prevent this.

The current government is proposing to reverse this (though that's probably a moot point given prorogation) and allow students to stay on for up to two years to find a job.

Personally I don't have a problem with this, but it's interesting that we;re taking control of our borders and non-EU immigration by proposing to open things up:

International students will be allowed to stay in the UK for two years after graduation to find a job, under new proposals announced by the Home Office.

The move reverses a decision made in 2012 by then-Home Secretary Theresa May that forced overseas students to leave four months after finishing a degree.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson said the change would see students "unlock their potential" and begin careers in the UK.

But campaign group Migration Watch called it a "retrograde" step.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49655719

If Migration Watch aren't keen then I'd think it's a good thing.

 

[The Don]

Unsurprisingly, the Labour Party is tearing itself apart over Brexit (it's like the early 80's all over again where extremism and infighting kept Labour unelectable for a couple of decades).

Labour must prioritise reversing Brexit through another referendum, over winning power in a general election, its deputy leader Tom Watson is to say.

He will warn that a snap election before the end of the year may fail to resolve the current deadlock.

Putting himself at odds with Jeremy Corbyn, he will say there is "no such thing as a good Brexit deal" and Labour must campaign unequivocally to remain.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49657006

Now that's a policy I could get behind and which would get me to return to the Labour electoral fold.

 

[McHrozni]

One of the key drivers for Brexit was opposition to (non-white) immigration.

One of the things that inflated non-EU immigration was non-EU students staying after their course was complete. To counter this Theresa May's government introduced rules to prevent this.

The current government is proposing to reverse this (though that's probably a moot point given prorogation) and allow students to stay on for up to two years to find a job.

Personally I don't have a problem with this, but it's interesting that we;re taking control of our borders and non-EU immigration by proposing to open things up:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49655719

If Migration Watch aren't keen then I'd think it's a good thing.

Well, no-deal is truly off the table then. There will be no way to blame the EU for all the brown people unless there is a Brexit deal of some sort.

McHrozni

 

[The Don]

Well, no-deal is truly off the table then. There will be no way to blame the EU for all the brown people unless there is a Brexit deal of some sort.

McHrozni

I disagree, a no deal is still very much on the table but there is also a need for immigrant labour in the UK. IMO for the architects of Brexit, this was nothing to do with immigration, indeed immigration is a key component of the low cost, low tax, low regulation, low employment rights, low benefits economy that they're looking to create.

 

[McHrozni]

I disagree, a no deal is still very much on the table but there is also a need for immigrant labour in the UK. IMO for the architects of Brexit, this was nothing to do with immigration, indeed immigration is a key component of the low cost, low tax, low regulation, low employment rights, low benefits economy that they're looking to create.

Yeah. But they still need someone to blame for the failure to eject brown people out. If not the EU, who?

EU is mentioning the NI-only backstop as an option. We'll see how that goes down if and when it goes down in Parliament. BJ opposes it, but he's becoming increasingly irrelevant.

McHrozni

 

[The Don]

Yeah. But they still need someone to blame for the failure to eject brown people out. If not the EU, who?

Doesn't matter, once Brexit has happened it's mission accomplished. At that stage it doesn't matter how many brown people there are in the country, we've got control over our borders and that's an end to it

EU is mentioning the NI-only backstop as an option. We'll see how that goes down if and when it goes down in Parliament. BJ opposes it, but he's becoming increasingly irrelevant.

McHrozni

Wasn't that the EU's original suggestion which the UK rejected (because of the DUP and various "unionist" Tories) ?

 

[Ian Osborne]

......especially if those negative consequences happen to other people. I suspect it may be different if they lose their own job.

Yeah, it's not likely to affect Jacob Rees-Mogg, as he moved his money into Ireland - back into the EU.

I hope managers and directors who have to downsize due to Brexit do the decent thing and fire the Leave voters first.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

I assure you I am not at all sanguine about the fact that so many people can't be bothered to fulfil their most basic responsibilities as citizens of a democracy. I'm saying I blame them, not the people who take advantage of their wilful ignorance, for the consequences.

It's not a zero-sum game. Why not blame both?

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

When that information is freely available to anyone who bothers to look for it there is really no excuse for believing obvious lies rather than do so.

Most false advertising claims, crystal healing scams, psychic mediums, etc., can be discredited with a simple google search. That doesn't exculpate the people profiting from those scams.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

One of the key drivers for Brexit was opposition to (non-white) immigration.

One of the things that inflated non-EU immigration was non-EU students staying after their course was complete. To counter this Theresa May's government introduced rules to prevent this.

The current government is proposing to reverse this (though that's probably a moot point given prorogation) and allow students to stay on for up to two years to find a job.

Personally I don't have a problem with this, but it's interesting that we;re taking control of our borders and non-EU immigration by proposing to open things up:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49655719

If Migration Watch aren't keen then I'd think it's a good thing.

It's almost like immigration can be good for a country.

 

[ohms]

Breaking news: In Scotland, the Court of Session rules proroguing Parliament was unlawful. Now it goes to the UK Supreme Court.