Cont: Brexit: Now What? Magic 8 Ball's up

[dudalb]

Capital city of New Zealand is Wellington.
Seat of government.

Westminster style, and reasonably performative.

Who do you think city in NZ was named after?

 

[dudalb]

I am just not sure breaking up the UK is such a wonderful idea as some here.
Maybe some kind of devolution,yes, with bigger powers for the local parliaments,but still in a union.

 

[dudalb]

For once I agree with Bob. If people choose not to take the time to properly inform themselves about the issues and people they are voting for, and simply swallow the most blatant and transparent of lies simply because they fit with their prejudices, then they have only themselves to blame when they are manipulated into voting against their own interests.

"Experience Keeps A Very Expensive School, But Fools Will Learn In No Other".

Benjamin Franklin.

 

[The Don]

I am just not sure breaking up the UK is such a wonderful idea as some here.
Maybe some kind of devolution,yes, with bigger powers for the local parliaments,but still in a union.

There's already significant devolution but not enough for one part to remain in the EU whilst another leaves, which is what this is about.

 

[Mojo]

I am just not sure breaking up the UK is such a wonderful idea as some here.

Quite apart from anything else, it would probably leave the Tories with a built-in majority in England.

I would have to invoke my Scottish granny and emigrate.

 

[GlennB]

From Boris' teacher at Eton, way back :

Writing of him in a school report in April 1982, he said: “Boris really has adopted a disgracefully cavalier attitude to his classical studies . . . Boris sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility (and surprised at the same time that he was not appointed Captain of the School for next half): I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation which binds everyone else.”

 

[dudalb]

From Boris' teacher at Eton, way back :

Writing of him in a school report in April 1982, he said: “Boris really has adopted a disgracefully cavalier attitude to his classical studies . . . Boris sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility (and surprised at the same time that he was not appointed Captain of the School for next half): I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation which binds everyone else.”

I am betting a report on Trump by one of his teachers would read exactly the same.

Though I don't blame Boris for not liking classical studies;I never have understood the British Public School ( and, yes, I am aware the in the UK a Public School is what in the US would be considered a very exclusive and expensive private school) idea that the mandatory study of Latin and Greek is the best preparation for life in Modern Times. Not against teaching those, but to make if the centerpiece of education..except if you were planning a career of a historian..makes no sense in modern times.

 

[llwyd]

I don't know - as a non-Brit it's maybe too easy for me to dismiss the disastrous effects of a no-deal Brexit. But still, the actually crazy thing to me here is this casual suggestion that a Prime Minister can simply ignore the law. These sorts of things used to happen in Europe in the 1930's and the UK was then a proud exception that us Western Europeans owe a huge debt of gratitude. And now it can be casually suggested that the UK Parliament can be unlawfully defied by a populist politician. I mean what the hell is going on?

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Ceptimus, here is the list of medicines affected by Brexit.

https://e-surgery.com/brexit-crisis-medication-shortage-list/

Thanks for that. My medications are on that list. If I abruptly stop posting after a no-deal Brexit, I guess you'll all know why...

ETA: Mind you, it's already cost a significant chunk of my income and my wife's career so why not?

 

[Delphic Oracle]

I am betting a report on Trump by one of his teachers would read exactly the same.



Though I don't blame Boris for not liking classical studies;I never have understood the British Public School ( and, yes, I am aware the in the UK a Public School is what in the US would be considered a very exclusive and expensive private school) idea that the mandatory study of Latin and Greek is the best preparation for life in Modern Times. Not against teaching those, but to make if the centerpiece of education..except if you were planning a career of a historian..makes no sense in modern times.

Or maybe it's the reason why you can look back on it and weigh its values and its faults.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Yeah, I hadn't thought of that. He might, but it seems pretty crazy. I suppose he might even top himself.

Where did you read these rumours?

Frankly it's time to bring Boris in a tray with a pen and paper, bottle of whisky and a revolver. Then leave and lock the door.

 

[Craig B]

Quite apart from anything else, it would probably leave the Tories with a built-in majority in England.

I would have to invoke my Scottish granny and emigrate.

Will your granny be minister with responsibility for migration in an independent Scotland?

 

[Garrison]

I don't know - as a non-Brit it's maybe too easy for me to dismiss the disastrous effects of a no-deal Brexit. But still, the actually crazy thing to me here is this casual suggestion that a Prime Minister can simply ignore the law. These sorts of things used to happen in Europe in the 1930's and the UK was then a proud exception that us Western Europeans owe a huge debt of gratitude. And now it can be casually suggested that the UK Parliament can be unlawfully defied by a populist politician. I mean what the hell is going on?

Its one of the things that Johnson shares with Trump, a willingness to wreck the system for their self-aggrandisement. Nothing matters but 'winning' right now, the bigger picture is irrelevant to them.

 

[angrysoba]

I am betting a report on Trump by one of his teachers would read exactly the same.

Though I don't blame Boris for not liking classical studies;I never have understood the British Public School ( and, yes, I am aware the in the UK a Public School is what in the US would be considered a very exclusive and expensive private school) idea that the mandatory study of Latin and Greek is the best preparation for life in Modern Times. Not against teaching those, but to make if the centerpiece of education..except if you were planning a career of a historian..makes no sense in modern times.

Don’t give the clown the benefit of the doubt. If you think he hated classics at school because it ill-prepared him for modern life then he shouldn’t have taken classics at Oxford as well.

 

[Nessie]

I am just not sure breaking up the UK is such a wonderful idea as some here.
Maybe some kind of devolution,yes, with bigger powers for the local parliaments,but still in a union.

Scotland already has devo max and one of the most independently powerful regional governments. The only thing left is full independence.

Say the UK did split up into four, ironically, it would likely end up in a mini union like the EU. It would make sense to have free trade etc.

The Brexiters would accept that, because they would view England as the most powerful member and they could be in charge. That is why they also like the Commonwealth and have fond memories of the Empire.

They hated the EU because they were not the most powerful member and they were far from in charge.

 

[jimbob]

I am betting a report on Trump by one of his teachers would read exactly the same.

Though I don't blame Boris for not liking classical studies;I never have understood the British Public School ( and, yes, I am aware the in the UK a Public School is what in the US would be considered a very exclusive and expensive private school) idea that the mandatory study of Latin and Greek is the best preparation for life in Modern Times. Not against teaching those, but to make if the centerpiece of education..except if you were planning a career of a historian..makes no sense in modern times.

No but it gave Leo Varadkar the chance to use this classical allusion:

 

[P.J. Denyer]

And we see the thread disappear down the Bob Hole.

"Up", things disappear up a Bob Hole.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

There is no new information. Remainers said brexit is bad, and it is bad.

In what election is the mandate of the winner defined by the warnings of the losers? The winners are supposed to deliver on their own promises not saying 'Hey, they warned you we were lying crooks'.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

For once I agree with Bob. If people choose not to take the time to properly inform themselves about the issues and people they are voting for, and simply swallow the most blatant and transparent of lies simply because they fit with their prejudices, then they have only themselves to blame when they are manipulated into voting against their own interests.

I disagree, if a salesman or advertiser deliberately misleads you and you buy a product based on features you were assured it had, but mislead you have cause for redress. We have advertising standards for a reason. It's shocking that politicians who will run the country are held to a lower standard than car salesmen.

 

[BobTheCoward]

I disagree, if a salesman or advertiser deliberately misleads you and you buy a product based on features you were assured it had, but mislead you have cause for redress. We have advertising standards for a reason. It's shocking that politicians who will run the country are held to a lower standard than car salesmen.

You normally don't have weeks to make that decision. For a referendum you do.