The Trump Presidency: Sweet/Sweat 16

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TragicMonkey said:
It always puts me in mind of the famous photo of Nietzsche with a similar bedraggled mustache. Nietzsche's was due to his being completely demented and incapable of grooming himself by then, no idea what Bolton's excuse is.
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"And you killed God so I got to ask, did he die of shame when he made your mustache?"

Confucius to Nietzsche in the "Eastern Vs Western Philosophers" episode of Epic Rap Battles of History
 
kellyb said:
And the attempted coup in Venezuela fizzling out.
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That's why I think Elliott Abrams is next for the NSA job. It gives stupid a war to fight and allows them to make "socialism" the enemy, which is what they'll scream at the Democratic candidate.
 
Not gonna lie, watching these Trump enablers get thrown away like used paper plates after they've sold out their soul for tiny scraps of power is pretty invigorating. Hope it was worth it Bolton, you didn't have much credibility before, but you're radioactive now.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Florida (often a key swing state) had a referendum that granted former felons the right to vote. Since people convicted of crimes tend to be in the same demographics as Democratic supporters (namely poor and/or minorities), it could benefit the Democrats in that state. Now, admittedly the republicans are trying to take steps to curb their rights (requiring ex felons to pay certain fines to get their voting rights restored), but given the often razor-thin margins in Florida elections, even a small number of ex-felons voting could make a big difference.
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I'm aware. I live in Florida. I voted for that referendum.

The Republicans have already undid it. That "You have to pay all your fines" thing isn't some minor side detail, it's a total gutting of the referendum to the point that is functionally been revoked.
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True, the "you must pay your fines" affects MOST ex-felons. (It should be noted that the Republican law is being challenged in the courts, so it might be overturned.)

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...ock-florida-law-requiring-people-convicted-of

But, even if the rule isn't overturned, supposedly around 20% would still be allowed to vote. There are ~1.4 million ex-felons in Florida, so you are potentially adding 200,000 potential voters. Trump won the state by ~100,000 voters (and the Shrub won the state by less than 1000). That's certainly going to eat into the republican's chances.

https://psmag.com/social-justice/is-floridas-new-voting-rights-restriction-legal

Another issue that I didn't bring up before... demographic changes. Minorities (who tend to favor Democrats) are making up an increasing proportion of the U.S., whereas white voters are on the decline. Granted, there hasn't been that much time in the 2 years since the midterms for a major shift, but it still makes it a little bit harder for the republicans.

https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/essay/an-early-look-at-the-2020-electorate/
 
Aridas said:
There's also still the question of whether he was behind Ross' decision to threaten NOAA, which, quite frankly, would compound the issue there.

Reminds me a little of the story "The Emperor's New Clothes."
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Trump would not need to direct Ross, all he had to do was pick the person for the job.

As for the Emperor's clothes, you're just now seeing the resemblance? :eye-poppi
 
TragicMonkey said:
It may turn out that a bellicosity to some countries is far less dangerous than cronyship with others. I'd rather the US be unfriendly with Iran than buddies with Russia.
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See, I wish we could go back to Obama's "friendliness" with Iran (Obama's nuclear deal) and also be distantly, skeptically at "peace" with Russia/Syria, as well.
 
ponderingturtle said:
No his mental decline was obvious from the start of his campaign. Look at his interviews then vs in the 90's when he could still speak in normal sentences. This was simply not an issue for his supporters.
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Not sure how this relates to my post. I was not referring to you. I'm talking about people (more than one) who are ignoring evidence of the decline.
 
Checkmite said:
Right now they're all-in on trying to convince minorities that social services are a Democrat plot to keep minorities "permanently dependent" and embracing the GOP will make the American Dream really come true for them. At least, I haven't noticed any GOP minority-outreach efforts deviating from this message.
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That's always been the GOP excuse for denying the 'entitlements' they want to get rid of.
 
timhau said:
Another issue that I didn't bring up before... demographic changes. Minorities (who tend to favor Democrats) are making up an increasing proportion of the U.S., whereas white voters are on the decline.
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Does this hold for registered voters as well?
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The article I referenced refers to 'eligible voters'.

But, if you actually look at voter turnout (i.e. the people who not only were eligible and registered, but actually claimed they voted) you see the same trends:

Percent of non-hispanic white voters:
2000: 81%
2008: 76.6%
2016: 73.6%
2018: 73.3%

http://www.electproject.org/home/voter-turnout/demographics

A white person is still more likely to vote than a minority, but since they make up a smaller part of the pool of potential voters, they will eventually start to have less and less impact.

Now, Voter suppression may be able to slow down the effects of the demographics shift. But eventually I think demographic changes will simply overwhelm any of the efforts the republicans put into harming the minority vote.
 
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Donal said:
That's why I think Elliott Abrams is next for the NSA job. It gives stupid a war to fight and allows them to make "socialism" the enemy, which is what they'll scream at the Democratic candidate.
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Probably.
They have to view him as currently not living up to his full potential.
 
Segnosaur said:
Would he really have been the only candidate that "had a chance" in 2016 against Hillary?

Yes, Trump won, but he ended up getting less votes than Romney. (His victory probably had as much to do with Clinton's unpopularity, and general Democratic miscalculations than anything else, something that would have been of help to any potential Republican nominee.)

Granted, some of the alternative candidates (like Ted "Machine Gun Bacon" Cruz) didn't exactly have much charisma, but there were others (such as Kasich) who might have had a good shot at winning.
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And once again the myth is repeated that somehow Clinton wasn't popular.

Comey's Oct BS
Cambridge Analytica
Bots and Trolls pushing hundreds of thousands of false messages on social media

And if we don't pay attention, history will repeat itself.
 
I Am The Scum said:
It's looking like Bolton is gonna be really vindictive about this. Good. Let them fight.
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Did you steal the "Let them Fight" line from the recent Godzilla movie?

Because that line was about an overweight radioactive monster fighting a huge disgusting bug.

Which pretty much also applies to the Trump/Bolton situation.
 
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