The Trump Presidency: Sweet/Sweat 16

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JoeMorgue said:
But if Trump resorts to suggesting he was just "Trolling" the media? It means he knew the information he was presenting was false, which means that there was some malicious intent.
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Okay and? "Trump is a troll and nothing else" is an open secret at this point. Everyone knows it. He's not hiding it. His followers revel in it. Him admitting it isn't going to hurt anything.
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What's different is that we aren't just talking about whether it affects his popularity, but we're talking about real, legally actionable issues.

Its been mentioned in this thread before: There is actually a law against giving false accounts of National weather predictions.

From: https://www.rawstory.com/2019/09/di...rong-about-hurricane-dorian-striking-alabama/
...journalists point to 18 U.S. Code § 2074, which states that “whoever knowingly issues or publishes any counterfeit weather forecast or warning of weather conditions falsely representing such forecast or warning to have been issued or published by the Weather Bureau, United States Signal Service, or other branch of the Government service, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ninety days, or both.”

Its not a law that would normally get much attention (probably because someone would have to be extremely stupid to violate it). But Trump might have, and (in theory) the Democrats could include it as part of the charges if they try to Impeach trump. (Or, alternatively, charge him after he leaves office.)
 
CIA pulled its top spy out of Russia because it was afraid Trump would give him up.
In a previously undisclosed secret mission in 2017, the United States successfully extracted from Russia one of its highest-level covert sources inside the Russian government, multiple Trump administration officials with direct knowledge told CNN.

A person directly involved in the discussions said that the removal of the Russian was driven, in part, by concerns that President Donald Trump and his administration repeatedly mishandled classified intelligence and could contribute to exposing the covert source as a spy.
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/09/politics/russia-us-spy-extracted/index.html
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Like that's realistic. :rolleyes:

As for taking the GOP down with him, we don't have a good historical example. Eisenhower, GOP, was POTUS when McCarthy held his hearings and remained POTUS for half a dozen years more.

Maybe someone else can look up what happened in the Senate.
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Eisenhower was in no way associated with McCarthy and worked against him. McCarthy never had the blind support of the Republican party, and he ultimately was censured by the Senate. Then and now aren't comparable at all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy
 
Bob001 said:
It's a measure of the severe delusions of these people. Responsible people have expressed doubts about whether Trump will leave quietly if he loses in 2020.
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Hell, I wonder if he will leave quiretly in 2024 if he is reelected.
 
pgwenthold said:
I wonder if the 94% approval rating is only among the president's staff at the White House (officials, not including service staff).

"We polled the people who had dinner with me last night and it was 94%"
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So, 100% if you don't count Melania?
 
jeremyp said:
There’s two ways this could happen. Is it because Trump is convincing all Republicans that he is doing a good job, or is it that Republicans who do not approve of him are leaving the party?

That’s a serious question. If anybody has got stats, I’d like to see them.
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There's not too much you can go by that's reliable. Gallup has this long-running bi-monthly poll showing party affiliation. It goes up and down but declared Republicans are between 25 and 30% for the last year. Usually it's about what the present number is: Republican 27%, Independent 40%, Democratic 29% (there's always about 4% that must be "other parties").

At 94%, if that's even a real number, he's got a solid 25% of the overall population.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Like that's realistic. :rolleyes:

As for taking the GOP down with him, we don't have a good historical example. Eisenhower, GOP, was POTUS when McCarthy held his hearings and remained POTUS for half a dozen years more.

Maybe someone else can look up what happened in the Senate.
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Within scope, we have some examples. You can't count Eisenhower. He wasn't really a Republican and was actually courted by both parties. His whitebread bigotry happens to have fit in with the New GOP, but that GOP didn't exist in the 50s.

Hoover and the spendariffic GOP of the 20s would be a closer example. On the national front the GOP was nearly not heard from for the next 20 years. Even Dewey couldn't overcome the generational habit of voting Democrat. The GOP that emerged in the 60s was certainly not the GOP of the post WWI years.....

The more valid point is actually in lieu of a warning. We've written off the GOP numerous times. It won't happen. In a two-party system they just reinvent themselves.

The utter disdain the anti-progress GOP held for the working classes in the 20s and 30s should have cinched that particular funeral as populism took over America. It took them longer to recover and they needed a not-Republican to do so, but they reinvented themselves as philanthropic rich ******** and not greedy rich ********. The thing that saved them from the Nixon debacle is that the rank-and-file on the hill actually revolted against Nixon. But there was a hard-right shift going on in the party post-Goldwater, so what re-emerged in the form of the Reagan wing in 1980 was yet another re-invention.

They haven't reinvented themselves this time, post Dubya, but have had what was left of their party hijacked. The void that will be left after Trump goes down will be reinvented on Limbaugh and by Coulter and Hannity and Carlson. Look for Populism II, the New Improved More User Friendly Neo Cryptic Fascism coming to a campaign trail near you by about December of 2020. (I expect to see a lot of "Brown People Welcome" proselytizing from the talking heads. )
 
Foolmewunz, beautifully said and I couldn't agree more. I especially agree with this:
The GOP that emerged in the 60s was certainly not the GOP of the post WWI years.....
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Every time I hear a Republican claim to be "the party of Lincoln", I want to throw up.
 
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