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Today's Mass Shooting

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The Odessa Texas shooter was fired from his job hours before the shootings.

He has now been named and pictures are published. A motive has not yet been established.
 
Daily Mail reports that the shooter lived in a remote home without running water or heat, he would shoot animals from his rooftop and threatened at least one neighbor with a rifle. He was fired from his trucking job right before going on the rampage.
 
William Parcher said:
Daily Mail reports that the shooter lived in a remote home without running water or heat, he would shoot animals from his rooftop and threatened at least one neighbor with a rifle. He was fired from his trucking job right before going on the rampage.
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Interesting. When I first heard the reports of someone hijacking a mail truck and shooting a cop, I suspected it might have been the work of an anti-government whacko. Him being a survivalist kind of fits that, too. I wonder how much else they can find out about this guy.
 
When I read about no running water or heat I don't automatically think "survivalist". More information is needed. Those things can occur because of lack of money or need for repair or whatever while the person is not really a survivalist per se.
 
William Parcher said:
I don't have any desire to start a thread on everyday murders nor do I really understand your concept of "balance" for this.
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Well, if you don’t understand my reply, maybe I misunderstood your point in this post:

William Parcher said:
Yes, that database includes domestic and organized crime (most often gangs) shootings.

Other definitions and their databases exclude domestics and gangs. Those are the "spree shooters" where we so often see white supremacists wanting to kill non-whites and other nutjobs who simply want to kill anybody they can.

The ISF seems most interested and focused on the spree shootings which are apparently dominated by white supremacists.
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“The ISF seems most interested in...”.

Is that a problem? If so, what should we be most interested in?
 
Hungry81 said:
You can focus on them all with sensible gun policy and laws.
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angrysoba said:
Why not start a thread on the topic? If you don’t people might draw the wrong conclusion - i.e. that you don’t particularly care about it except to distract from widely publicized mass shootings.
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Agreed on both points.

All murders and other violent crimes should be treated seriously and addressed with real-world solutions.

However, the point certain posters seem to be missing is that the mass shootings being discussed in this thread are unique because the randomness of their nature makes almost all public spaces unsafe and places everyone in danger.
 
AJM8125 said:
OK, how?
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Start passing laws that restrict type of guns that can be owned, who can own them, how they have to be stored and so on. It will be decades before you can make any real impact on your gun problem but it will always be never not decades if you don't start. Perfect is the enemy of the good.
 
Darat said:
Start passing laws that restrict type of guns that can be owned, who can own them, how they have to be stored and so on. It will be decades before you can make any real impact on your gun problem but it will always be never not decades if you don't start. Perfect is the enemy of the good.
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I usually hate posts that add nothing to a debate but only endorse what a previous poster said, but this is so on the nail I'm going to do that now. Very well said.
 
Seems to me that the most effective gun-death prevention measure would be universal healthcare and a decent social safety net.
 
autumn1971 said:
You’re a filthy Communist. Also likely a Muslim atheist.
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Lastly, your mother was a snow blower and your daddy was a lawn mower!

I've wanted to make a short circuit reference since that movie was relevant...

In all honesty though, I do agree with his statement. If we gave people the opportunity to get help whenever they needed it, and not have to worry about going bankrupt because they suffer from something they don't understand it would go a long ways to solving this issue. I do, however, think their mental health should be tied to gun ownership. I just don't know how to get to that point.
 
angrysoba said:
Well, if you don’t understand my reply, maybe I misunderstood your point in this post:

“The ISF seems most interested in...”.

Is that a problem? If so, what should we be most interested in?
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My idea of "balance" is not a parallel list of murders that were of a different nature. To balance the horrific tragedy of a spree mass shooting you would need to provide a record of a spree-type incident which brings great happiness and content. That's what I think of when prompted to provide "balance".

The interest and emphasis of spree shooters with the exclusion of "everyday" shootings of a different nature (mostly domestic and non-spree crimes) isn't so much a problem as it is a feature. It is the non-spree non-mass shootings that take the biggest toll.
 
johnny karate said:
Agreed on both points.

All murders and other violent crimes should be treated seriously and addressed with real-world solutions.

However, the point certain posters seem to be missing is that the mass shootings being discussed in this thread are unique because the randomness of their nature makes almost all public spaces unsafe and places everyone in danger.
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That point is not missed. The other thing that should not be missed is the real potential for someone to be killed or harmed by someone that they already know in a non-spree event, or other shootings of a different nature.

I don't know what the statistics are but there may be some way to calculate odds...

The probability of being a victim in a random mass shooting in a public space (being in the wrong place at the wrong time). Compared to...

The probability of being a shooting victim of an incident of a different nature.
 
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