Cont: Brexit: Now What? Magic 8 Ball's up

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McHrozni said:
No, that question is already settled. Over 48% of population voted for status quo. If anything over 1% of the electorate that voted Leave does not consent to no deal the only options left are with a deal or else no Brexit.

Leavers would have a leg to stand on if the result was somewhere north of 60-40. That would be grounds to see Brexit, come hell or high water. They are, however, taking a 52-48 result as if it were 96-4. War is an acceptable result in the later scenario, but Brexit Britain is facing a civil war over upholding a 52-48 result that would be ruled invalid if it were binding.
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That means 52% voted to leave. Only in the mind of a remainer could a majority vote to leave actually mean remain.
 
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Information Analyst said:
Watching BBC Breakfast this morning
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How many remain supporters did they interview? How many leave? Do you think the presenters were pro-remain or pro-leave? How many times did the presenters interrupt the remainer's answers, and how many times did they interrupt the leaver's answers?
 
ceptimus said:
That means 52% voted to leave. Only in the mind of a remainer could a majority vote to leave actually mean remain.
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If UK opts for a Norway style Brexit that would be in line with the democratic mandate of the Referendum.

Would it really be so bad if UK were like Norway? Really?

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
If UK opts for a Norway style Brexit that would be in line with the democratic mandate of the Referendum.

Would it really be so bad if UK were like Norway? Really?

McHrozni
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Norway style brexit is not under consideration at the moment. Right now the only options are May's deal (if it's bought before parliament again and gets majority support), a better deal (in the unlikely event the EU offers one), no deal, or revoke article 50 and remain.
 
Wudang said:
Please read the next sentence which is the actual point of the post. If 1% of people who voted Leave did not want a No Deal Brexit (as was assured would not happen) then the majority is gone. Simple point.
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Very simple.
 
ceptimus said:
Norway style brexit is not under consideration at the moment.
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I know it isn't. One more mistake by the Brexiteers, a Norway-style Brexit was front and center during the campaign:



Norway-style deal (with CU) would not violate any of the red lines of the EU and would fulfil the campaign promises of the leading Brexiteers to the maximum possible extent.

UK would need another extension or else negotate this during the delay period for the WA, but it's certainly doable. It's also not hindered by the Backstop in any way.

But I guess Nigel is a Brino or something.

McHrozni
 
Something liable to give Daily Mail readers an attack of indigestion - a no-deal Brexit is forecast to cause a drop in house prices:

UK house prices could drop by 6.2% next year if the UK leaves the EU without a deal on 31 October, according to accountants KPMG.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49543575

Whether this is good news or bad news is an excellent subject for discussion but Mail readers do seem to be somewhat preoccupied with keeping house prices up.
 
ceptimus said:
That means 52% voted to leave. Only in the mind of a remainer could a majority vote to leave actually mean remain.
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What if 99% of leavers don't want a no deal? Is a no deal still better than remain? Where do you draw the line?

Heck, what if one of the options on the table was to simply nuke the rest of Europe? That would take care of the border problem in no time. It's not remaining, so it's what people voted for apparently.
 
Once again Jeremy Corbyn demonstrates that it's more important to him to try and become Prime Minister that it is for him to avert a no-deal Brexit.

Jeremy Corbyn says the UK "needs" a general election, despite warnings from Tony Blair that such a vote would be "an elephant trap" for Labour.

The ex-PM warned that Boris Johnson could win such a vote as "some may fear a Corbyn premiership more" than a no-deal Brexit.

But Mr Corbyn said a vote "would give the people a choice between two very different directions for the country".

"An election is the democratic way forward," he added.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49552403

In my opinion, unless he fails to deliver Brexit on 31 October or looks to be fudging it in advance, Boris is a nailed-on certainty in a general election if the largest opposition party continues to be led by a pro-Brexit incompetent :mad:
 
The Don said:
Something liable to give Daily Mail readers an attack of indigestion - a no-deal Brexit is forecast to cause a drop in house prices:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49543575

Whether this is good news or bad news is an excellent subject for discussion but Mail readers do seem to be somewhat preoccupied with keeping house prices up.
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Fake news. Project fear. Remoaners.

See? It's not a problem.
 
McHrozni said:
I know it isn't. One more mistake by the Brexiteers, a Norway-style Brexit was front and center during the campaign:



Norway-style deal (with CU) would not violate any of the red lines of the EU and would fulfil the campaign promises of the leading Brexiteers to the maximum possible extent.

UK would need another extension or else negotate this during the delay period for the WA, but it's certainly doable. It's also not hindered by the Backstop in any way.

But I guess Nigel is a Brino or something.

McHrozni
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Nobody wants a Norway style deal. Remainers don't want it because it is not as good as being a full EU member. Brexiteers don't want it because it is just like being in the EU except without any say in its future direction or rules.
 
ceptimus said:
You also assume (I think from the context of your question) that the economic effects of Brexit will be negative. What if the economic effects of Brexit are positive? Why would I want to be insulated from positive economic effects?
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As pretty much all experts agree that the economic consequences of Brexit will be negative, on a scale from bad to catastrophic, I think that assuming that they will be negative is fair. It's certainly more fair than assuming they will be positive.
 
jeremyp said:
Nobody wants a Norway style deal.
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A Norway style deal would be a sensible way to implement the referendum result. It would take us out of the EU while maintaining a lot of the links that would allow us to manage the exit.

It would be a sensible first step towards a greater level of disconnection if that's what the country wants and equally if the country decided to return to the EU it would be a manageable re-entry.

Given where we are I think a lot of people would accept it as a compromise though of course nothing less than nuking Europe from orbit will satisfy the slobbering idiots of the Brexit party and the ERG
 
ceptimus said:
What if the economic effects of Brexit are positive?
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Is there anyone at all who still seriously proposes that could come true during my or indeed my kids' working lives?

Completely serious question. Anyone with a thought-through scenario where this actually works to our benefit instead of entering a grim spiral of decline?
 
Boris Johnson is considering seeking an early general election if MPs wanting to block a no-deal Brexit defeat the government this week.

The BBC understands "live discussions" are going on in No 10 about asking Parliament to approve a snap poll.

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Amid mounting speculation about an election, Mr Johnson is due to hold an unscheduled cabinet meeting at 17.00 BST and will also speak to Conservative MPs on Monday afternoon.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49549960
 
ceptimus said:
Norway style brexit is not under consideration at the moment. Right now the only options are May's deal (if it's bought before parliament again and gets majority support), a better deal (in the unlikely event the EU offers one), no deal, or revoke article 50 and remain.
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So it's the EU's job to square Brexiteers' circle for them?

History isn't going to blame the EU for this debacle, when it comes time to write the books on Britain's Dumbest Decade.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
So it's the EU's job to square Brexiteers' circle for them?

History isn't going to blame the EU for this debacle, when it comes time to write the books on Britain's Dumbest Decade.
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Nope. People like Boris, Nigel and indeed people like Ceptimus himself will shoulder the blame. We know Boris and Nigel don't care - they have their's already - but I wonder how prepared common Brexiteers like Ceptimus are for the amount of pain and misery they will be blamed for in the future.
 
Plenty of rumours flying around, with the most recent being that Johnson will treat an attempted vote tomorrow, in which the opposition to no deal-Brexit will attempt to take control of the timetable, as a vote of confidence in the government. If it passes, he will dissolve parliament, using a election date before October 31 to entice Corbyn and Labour to supply the votes.

However, another rumour also suggests that, once parliament is dissolved, he could then use prerogative proclamation power to move the date past October 31.
 
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