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Archie Gemmill Goal said:
If anyone on this thread is interested in facts (obviously not those who support Brexit) they can look at the maths online easily.

The 3rd vote was defeated by 58 votes. There were 34 Tory votes against.

Had all the Tories voted in favour it would have passed easily.

The time before that the defeat was by 149 votes..... and there were 75 Tories against. So again had the Tories voted in favour it would have passed.

The first time the defeat was by 230 with 115 Tories against. So it would have been tied.

The Tory ERG stopped the UK leaving Europe months ago.

Can we stop LYING about it now?
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Of course not. Lies is all the Brexiteers have.
 
Nessie said:
You do realise that May's deal failed to pass in part because Tory leavers voted against it.

It clearly pisses you off that Tory leavers carry some of the responsibility.

You want them to be blameless.
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No you're quite wrong again. I'm very glad that May's deal didn't pass as we now have a chance of getting either a better deal, or no deal (which in my opinion would also be better) under Boris.

It's good that the Tory leavers voted against May's deal of course - but they didn't have the power to stop it or pass it themselves as I've already explained several times.

Luckily, the Labour party, other opposition parties, and DUP were also opposed to May's terrible deal, so it was doomed to fail no matter how the Tory leavers voted.
 
ceptimus said:
No you're quite wrong again. I'm very glad that May's deal didn't pass as we now have a chance of getting either a better deal, or no deal (which in my opinion would also be better) under Boris.

It's good that the Tory leavers voted against May's deal of course - but they didn't have the power to stop it or pass it themselves as I've already explained several times.

Luckily, the Labour party, other opposition parties, and DUP were also opposed to May's terrible deal, so it was doomed to fail no matter how the Tory leavers voted.
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May I ask why you are so sure you will be economically insulated from the effects of Brexit? Do you still have a job, or are you retired?
 
ceptimus said:
No you're quite wrong again. I'm very glad that May's deal didn't pass as we now have a chance of getting either a better deal, or no deal (which in my opinion would also be better) under Boris.

It's good that the Tory leavers voted against May's deal of course - but they didn't have the power to stop it or pass it themselves as I've already explained several times.

Luckily, the Labour party, other opposition parties, and DUP were also opposed to May's terrible deal, so it was doomed to fail no matter how the Tory leavers voted.
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Show me the figures for the votes regarding May's deal and show me that the Tory leavers who voted against it did not affect the result.

By Tory leaver, I mean all Tories who voted to leave the EU.
 
Nessie said:
Show me the figures for the votes regarding May's deal and show me that the Tory leavers who voted against it did not affect the result.

By Tory leaver, I mean all Tories who voted to leave the EU.
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I'm not clear what you mean by your last sentence. Which vote are you talking about?

  • The referendum itself? We will never really know how they voted in that - just as we don't know how Corbyn voted: it was a secret ballot and we only have the word of those who have publicly said how they voted.
  • The article 50 vote? I think Ken Clarke was the only Tory to vote against that.
  • A different one?
 
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jimbob said:
May I ask why you are so sure you will be economically insulated from the effects of Brexit? Do you still have a job, or are you retired?
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You're making at least two assumptions in that question - it's the classic, "Have you stopped beating your wife?" sort of question that assumes A) I have a wife, and B) I have beaten her in the past.

Why do you assume I'll be economically insulated? There are more important things than mere economics in this life.

You also assume (I think from the context of your question) that the economic effects of Brexit will be negative. What if the economic effects of Brexit are positive? Why would I want to be insulated from positive economic effects?
 
ceptimus said:
What the referendum ballot paper actually said:

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union [ ]

Leave the European Union [ ]
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ceptimus said:
No you're quite wrong again. I'm very glad that May's deal didn't pass as we now have a chance of getting either a better deal, or no deal (which in my opinion would also be better) under Boris.

It's good that the Tory leavers voted against May's deal of course.
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Where in the ballot paper did it say it needs to be a good deal?
It is you brexiteers refusing to support leave deals that are keeping us in.
Again and again your kind voted against leaving.
 
ceptimus said:
You also assume (I think from the context of your question) that the economic effects of Brexit will be negative. What if the economic effects of Brexit are positive? Why would I want to be insulated from positive economic effects?
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No doubt the magic money trees in Jolly Old England will go into full bloom. Instead of wasting money on poles and Romanians it can be spent fertilizing the soil with wishful thinkig, the most important of nutrients in Jolly Old England.
 
More lies....

Mr Gove was earlier criticised by a retail trade association for claiming there would be no shortages of fresh food in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

The British Retail Consortium said Mr Gove's assertion on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show that "there will be no shortages of fresh food" was "categorically untrue".
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49545743
 
ceptimus said:
No. I've already suffered as the pound drops. That was inevitable until after Brexit, when I expect the pound to recover. I blame remainer MPs for prolonging the uncertainty and prolonging the pain - we should have left already.

Now the remainers are trying to delay things again - and for no stated purpose. Their unstated purpose is to attempt to thwart Brexit entirely - but most of them are afraid to admit that.
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Oh really? Thanks to the drop in the pound my pension fund portfolio is healthier than ever. When BoJo announced prorogation, it was gaining nigh on GBP1K per diem. Why? Because the equities portion is largely dealt on Euro markets, which is why we haven't seen the FTSE index similarly plunge. In fact, it is doing quite well, thanks very much.

I expect your 'suffering' as you call it, happened when you went on your annual holiday to Benidorm and the airports were giving you GBP1/EUR0.99.

Poor Mr. Comfortably Numb.
 
ceptimus said:
What the referendum ballot paper actually said:

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union [ ]

Leave the European Union [ ]
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What the Brexiteers believe it said:

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Leave the European Union without a deal [ ]

Leave the European Union with a deal [ ]
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FTFY, YW :)

McHrozni
 
Vote against the government and get deselected next time around:

Tory MPs who vote against the government in the Commons this week will be chucked out of the party and banned from standing for the Conservatives at the next election.

Senior sources in government are confirming that plan was agreed by the prime minister and his enforcers - the party whips - in the splendour of his country pile, Chequers, on Sunday.

It's not just Westminster gossip - it is actually No 10's plan.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49546224
 
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