Cont: Brexit: Now What? Magic 8 Ball's up

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The Don said:
Not really.

If it attracts a certain number of signatures (and I think it's already well past that threshold) then it has to be debated in Parliament. Of course Parliamentary time is short thanks to prorogation so that isn't going to happen.

The second referendum attracted over 5 million signatures and that made no difference.

We have a Conservative Party which is now dogmatically attached to a no-deal Brexit aided and abetted by a Labour Party leadership who are, against the wishes of the overwhelming proportion of members and supporters, pro-Brexit. Massed protests involving millions of people would just be ignored.

IMO nothing can happen to stop a no deal Brexit unless the Labour Party stops messing around, reflects the majority of its supporters and members, and becomes pro-Remain and Jeremy Corbyn stops using the biggest crisis since World War Two as a means to attempt to become Prime Minister. Neither of these things is likely so we're fooked. :(
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Thanks.

I was afraid of that.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
I think the answer you were looking for was 'oh yeah, right, my mistake'
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Ireland was a part of the UK in name, but the Act of Union was a formal recognition of a colonisation and take over, not a unification of kingdoms. It is not like the Irish king or queen and royal family died out and left the UK monarch as heir, so that the two countries could then unite.
 
Craig B said:
The whole of Ireland was part of the UK. In fact the uk came into existence in 1801 when Ireland was united to Great Britain, the resulting Union being called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. In 1922 much of Ireland seceded from this union which therefore had to change its name to ... and Northern Ireland. Ireland was constitutionally NOT a colony, but part of the UK.

Obviously the Republic of Ireland has not been part of any kingdom. That is because its territory was effectively independent for more than two decades prior to its becoming a de jure Republic. First you said no one had left the UK. When I proved that mistaken you changed and said that no willing long term members had left. So what? Why should a willing member of the union leave it? Scotland will leave only when - may the day come soon! - the voters of Scotland indicate in a referendum their desire to secede from the UK.
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I was wrong to say it was never part of the UK, as in United Kingdom because, for a while, formally it was. But it was never a uniting of Kingdoms, a unification of a monarchy, or parliament.

The circumstances of Scotland becoming part of the UK and if it leaves, are very unlike Ireland's circumstances.
 
Mojo said:
I think if it gets more than 100,000 signatures it gets debated in Parlia...

Ah.
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Exactly, Boris wants to do everything to limit any attempt to stop the UK leaving the EU, even stifle legitimate protest.
 
Nessie said:
I was wrong to say it was never part of the UK, as in United Kingdom because, for a while, formally it was. But it was never a uniting of Kingdoms, a unification of a monarchy, or parliament.

The circumstances of Scotland becoming part of the UK and if it leaves, are very unlike Ireland's circumstances.
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The King of England was already the King of Ireland so they didn't need to unite the monarchy but I wonder why on Earth you think any of that matters to the topic at hand or why you think this would affect the process of leaving.
 
It's interesting that Ruth Davidson, Scottish Conservative leader is reportedly considering stepping down:

Ruth Davidson is on the verge of quitting as leader of the Scottish Conservatives, BBC Scotland understands.

Ms Davidson has been deeply unhappy with the prime minister's pursuit of a possible no-deal Brexit.
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She seems to be the least worst of a pretty repellent bunch.

That said, rather than sticking to her principles and saying that she is stepping down because the Conservative leadership have executed a right wing coup to force a no-deal Brexit, she's reportedly going to be spending more time with her family:

The Scottish Sun, which broke the story, said it had been told by a senior Conservative source that juggling motherhood with politics had "taken its toll" on Ms Davidson.
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How pathetic :mad:
 
dudalb said:
Uh, in the US we don't like Pork Pies very much.
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Yes I know you tend to be unfamiliar with actual meat, rather than arsenic laden floor sweepings, but you'll get used to it.
Anyway soon UK meat will be very similar to USAian.
 
erwinl said:
It seems there's a large petition going on now, which protests against the shutting down of parliament.

Does this have any force behind it?
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We already know that over sixteen million people voted remain back in 2016. If the petition passes the seventeen million mark (and can be shown to be relatively free from voting bot influence) then it would show something new.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
The King of England was already the King of Ireland so they didn't need to unite the monarchy but I wonder why on Earth you think any of that matters to the topic at hand or why you think this would affect the process of leaving.
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I was responding to a question about leaving the UK.

I started by stating, incorrectly, that no one had left the UK, but if they did, it would be a ceremony and a trade deal that would favour the rest of the UK. It was an aside that was not entirely serious.

It grew legs because I regarded Ireland as very different to the E, W, NI & S memberships of UK as it a brief and reluctant member forced to join.
 
Nessie said:
I have not seen any speculation, but in any case, there is no process. No one has left the actual UK before. We used to lose colonies on a regular basis, which just meant a ceremony to hand over power, a trade deal that favoured the UK and an invitation to stay in the Commonwealth.
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:rolleyes:
Ahem.
 
The Don said:
It's interesting that Ruth Davidson, Scottish Conservative leader is reportedly considering stepping down:



She seems to be the least worst of a pretty repellent bunch.

That said, rather than sticking to her principles and saying that she is stepping down because the Conservative leadership have executed a right wing coup to force a no-deal Brexit, she's reportedly going to be spending more time with her family:



How pathetic :mad:
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She has been open about the importance of family and motherhood in her decisions. Many politicians have dropped out because of family. Sadly, they are often the ones we would want the most to be in charge, as they have an empathy and understanding that more career orientated politicians often lack.
 
catsmate said:
:rolleyes:
Ahem.
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If you had even read the previous post, you would see my admission that was wrong. I had regarded Ireland as a colonial acquisition rather than a uniting of kingdoms, but yes Ireland was, for while part of the UK and so, yes it did leave.
 
erwinl said:
It seems there's a large petition going on now, which protests against the shutting down of parliament.

Does this have any force behind it?
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No.
There is the prospect of something kicking off, which is possible, but I don't think there's much prospect of BoJo and his cronies dangling from lampposts anytime soon.
 
The Don said:
It's interesting that Ruth Davidson, Scottish Conservative leader is reportedly considering stepping down:



She seems to be the least worst of a pretty repellent bunch.
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I used to think that but she's pretty sleekit. Talks a good game but disappears when things get difficult and became the spokesperson for Theresa May's Brexit in Scotland despite being against it.

That said, rather than sticking to her principles and saying that she is stepping down because the Conservative leadership have executed a right wing coup to force a no-deal Brexit, she's reportedly going to be spending more time with her family:

How pathetic :mad:
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People close to her seem to be saying that that is part of it. Although she is a master of the fudge. Even know in her press conference she is avoiding every question
 
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