Cont: Brexit: Now What? Magic 8 Ball's up

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The Don said:
I don't think so, the no-dealers aren't seeking to blame anyone at the moment.



I think your guess is miles wide of the mark. A significant proportion of people around here in this comparatively well-to-do rural constituency are firmly in favour of a no-deal Brexit but do have a reasonable understanding of the implications.

They really do think that a 5%-10% GDP hit, short term shortages and a constriction is a price worth paying in order to leave the EU. Some are actively looking forward to it because it'll teach people a lesson :boggled:




The EU-blaming is still gathering momentum. Don't want to get into the full mode until after a no-deal.
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Really? It seems odd...any idea of what people and which lesson?:confused:
 
Castro said:
Really? It seems odd...any idea of what people and which lesson?:confused:
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I'd guess some nebulous "other" group who don't think their country can stand on it's own two feet and are contemptible softies who don't know what it's like to have to work hard and similar waffle like that. Some crap about the Blitz Spirit. Four Yorkshiremen sketch.

These people who want to stay in the EU as if it were some kind of alliance of sovereign states instead of the evil superstate that it's going to become any day now mark my words I saw it on Facebook. They seem to think that just because the UK and most other members don't want some Evil United States of Unelected Bureaucratic Europe and can veto it that this will somehow stop it happening. Fools.

Far better to leave the future of Europe to those nations which do remain members and fight for the future they want, while we run away and hide, simultaneously bragging about how bravely our forebears stood up to the Nazis.
 
Castro said:
Really? It seems odd...any idea of what people and which lesson?:confused:
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Many and varied, and Jack by the hedge has touched on a lot of it.

Tbh, a lot of this is coming from the generation who are retired. Those that are of this opinion see modern life as confusing; people making a good living out of sitting in front of a PC doing unfathomable things; a decline in traditional industries and jobs. They're of the opinion that it'll be the service sector, especially those who deal with the EU extensively, who kops it in the shorts for a no-deal Brexit (they may very well be right) and it serves them right for having a business which relies on them kow-towing to foreigners.

They will have a lot of sympathy for farmers who go out of business as a result, or people who lose manufacturing jobs (so long as the thing being manufactured isn't too modern - car workers deserve sympathy, those who make microchips less so) but will be positively gleeful at every financial services employee who loses their job.

All of this whilst comfortably retired on their largely non-contributory, defined benefits, retirement income :mad:
 
Nigel Farage is upping the ante and saying that the only acceptable form of Brexit is a no-deal Brexit:

A no-deal Brexit is now "the only acceptable deal", says Nigel Farage.

The Brexit Party leader said his party would fight in every seat at a general election if the government tried to pass the existing withdrawal agreement.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49482032

Of course that is in stark contrast to what he was saying during the referendum campaign but three minutes, much less three years, is a lifetime in the mind of a Brexiteer.
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...e-bomb-dissident-no-deal-brexit-a9075286.html

"People may not have noticed three incidents which happened in Northern Ireland on Monday. That morning, a former member of the IRA was buried in Belfast. In a video which later appeared online, masked men were seen openly firing guns into the air over his coffin in a residential garden.

Closer to lunch time, Northern Ireland’s police service (PSNI) who were investigating a hoax device in Fermanagh were almost killed when a second device exploded nearby. It was evident that dissident republicans had attempted to lure police officers to their death. On Monday night, a prominent loyalist was shot dead in Down, in what appears to have been a gangland feud.

This was an alarming day of activity, but such incidents did not begin this week, or even this year – but the tremors are getting more frequent."

There was actually another incident that was just as significant;

"A tetchy TV interview with the DUP leader Arlene Foster and Sinn Fein MP Michelle Gildernew this week dashed any hopes that an agreement was on the horizon. Attempting to put on a united front after the Fermanagh bomb, they disagreed openly about the reintroduction of a hard border, and when Gildernew mentioned a young man who had been shot dead by a British soldier on that border, Foster rolled her eyes and shook her head. Though standing side by side, the distance between them was enormous."

Brexit could not have happened at a worse time and it could easily tip NI back into the Troubles.
 
The Don said:
Nigel Farage is upping the ante and saying that the only acceptable form of Brexit is a no-deal Brexit:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49482032

Of course that is in stark contrast to what he was saying during the referendum campaign but three minutes, much less three years, is a lifetime in the mind of a Brexiteer.
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One might even guess that a no-deal Brexit is what he really wanted all along.
 
Nessie said:
https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...e-bomb-dissident-no-deal-brexit-a9075286.html

"People may not have noticed three incidents which happened in Northern Ireland on Monday. That morning, a former member of the IRA was buried in Belfast. In a video which later appeared online, masked men were seen openly firing guns into the air over his coffin in a residential garden.

Closer to lunch time, Northern Ireland’s police service (PSNI) who were investigating a hoax device in Fermanagh were almost killed when a second device exploded nearby. It was evident that dissident republicans had attempted to lure police officers to their death. On Monday night, a prominent loyalist was shot dead in Down, in what appears to have been a gangland feud.

This was an alarming day of activity, but such incidents did not begin this week, or even this year – but the tremors are getting more frequent."

There was actually another incident that was just as significant;

"A tetchy TV interview with the DUP leader Arlene Foster and Sinn Fein MP Michelle Gildernew this week dashed any hopes that an agreement was on the horizon. Attempting to put on a united front after the Fermanagh bomb, they disagreed openly about the reintroduction of a hard border, and when Gildernew mentioned a young man who had been shot dead by a British soldier on that border, Foster rolled her eyes and shook her head. Though standing side by side, the distance between them was enormous."

Brexit could not have happened at a worse time and it could easily tip NI back into the Troubles.
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I wish the UK would just cut them all loose.
 
The Don said:
I don't think so, the no-dealers aren't seeking to blame anyone at the moment.
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They will eventually, the poll I posted tries to gauge who the scapegoats will be.
Thus far is seems the answer to be "yes", if the question is "Is X responsible?".

I think your guess is miles wide of the mark. A significant proportion of people around here in this comparatively well-to-do rural constituency are firmly in favour of a no-deal Brexit but do have a reasonable understanding of the implications.

They really do think that a 5%-10% GDP hit, short term shortages and a constriction is a price worth paying in order to leave the EU. Some are actively looking forward to it because it'll teach people a lesson :boggled:
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I don't doubt you know your constituency well, but I doubt it's representative of the Brexitard community at large. Most of them seem to just dismiss all downsides of Brexit and resort to cheap diversions the moment a serious question comes up.

The EU-blaming is still gathering momentum. Don't want to get into the full mode until after a no-deal.
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EU is the obvious target for Brexiteers of course. They want out of EU on an ideological principle, therefore they'll blame the EU for everything. It's nothing new, blating the EU for its own faillings is what brought the UK to the precipice in the first place, by these same 'people'.

In some twisted way I agree with your constituency. A no-deal Brexit would be a good thing, it would teach some a lession they won't soon forget. Japan needed the Bomb (plus assorted bombings and stuff), Germany had their own spell of death and destruction, now it seems to be the British turn. Sad, but what are you going to do?

McHrozni
 
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I wonder if this is one of those deliberate 'leaks' that's designed to check the reaction to a proposal? If not and they go ahead with this then we indeed live in very interesting times.
 
GlennB said:
I wonder if this is one of those deliberate 'leaks' that's designed to check the reaction to a proposal? If not and they go ahead with this then we indeed live in very interesting times.
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The majority of the electorate do not want Brexit. The vast majority of the electorate do not want a no deal Brexit. The vast majority of MPs apparently do not want a no deal Brexit but in order to be in the Cabinet, you have to be all-in for it.

If moderate Conservatives do not to take a stand against this, then that's inexcusable IMO. If Jeremy Corbyn attempts to take advantage and in the process scuppers any hope of stopping a no deal then that may be worse.

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so far, always assuming the worst seems to be working out for me :(
 
I wonder whether the Queen swears in private? Would love to be a fly on the wall as she discusses this with her advisors.
 
"The will of the people is the will of the government and vice versa. The modern structure of the German State is a higher form of democracy in which, by virtue of the people’s mandate, the government is exercised authoritatively while there is no possibility for parliamentary interference, to obliterate and render ineffective the execution of the nation’s will."
Joseph Goebbels, September 28th, 1933.
 
Pixel42 said:
"The will of the people is the will of the government and vice versa. The modern structure of the German State is a higher form of democracy in which, by virtue of the people’s mandate, the government is exercised authoritatively while there is no possibility for parliamentary interference, to obliterate and render ineffective the execution of the nation’s will."
Joseph Goebbels, September 28th, 1933.
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"The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away."

Governor Tarkin


"So this is how democracy dies, with thunderous applause"

Senator Amadala

(Sorry Pixel42 for going so low brow, but I can only assume that Brexiters think RotJ ends on a downer)
 
From the Guardian:
"Boris Johnson has been described as a threat to the “very nature” of British democracy at a cross-party meeting where MPs agreed to form an alternative parliament in the event of the prime minister shutting down the existing one to make a no-deal Brexit happen.

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They signed the Church House declaration, which said shutting down parliament would be “an undemocratic outrage at such a crucial moment for our country, and a historic constitutional crisis”.​
 
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