The Electric Comet Theory Part IV/SAFIRE

[Belz...]

So you are still comets are mostly ice then still?

Why would we conclude otherwise?

Convincing.

 

[ferd burfle]

I for one enjoy having you back and do appreciate you are a busy man.

Thing is nothing new to discuss quote-mine until the new papers are out.

So take it easy and enjoy the Sun.

ftfy

 

[Reality Check]

The usual lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years

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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral

Sol88's usual stupidity of wanting to discuss mainstream papers about ices and dust comets emphasizing that his cult's electric comet insanity cannot be supported even by Sol88 !

 

[jonesdave116]

Why would we conclude otherwise?



Convincing.

The thing is Belz, that we have concluded differently. The problem for Sol88 is that we concluded this some decades ago. As he has repeatedly been told, with links to papers from the 90s onwards. Leaving out vacuum, dust dominates by both mass and volume. By mass, I think the best recent estimate was ~ 6:1. Of course, as the dust weighs more per unit volume than ice, the volume ratio is lower.
However, this is a strawman invented by the disingenuous high priest of the EU ists, Thornhill. Sol88 has therefore swallowed the lie hook, line and sinker. That is how Thornhill operates. Most people can easily see through him. Not Sol88, apparently.

 

[Reality Check]

However, this is a strawman invented by the disingenuous high priest of the EU ists, Thornhill. Sol88 has therefore swallowed the lie hook, line and sinker. That is how Thornhill operates. Most people can easily see through him. Not Sol88, apparently.

As an illustration as to how deeply Sol88 has "drunk the Kool-Aid" from Thornhill (literally the poison that Thornhill spreads!), consider Thornhill's blatantly obvious lies about electric comet "confirmed predications" for the 2005 Deep Impact mission: 18 November 2010: The lies, failures and successes of Thunderbolts Deep Impact predictions by Wal Thornhill

For example: ThunderBolts Deep Impact predictions: Lying about flashes. Thornhill still has a "confirmed predication" that there would be an advance flash before impact. We observed 2 flashes as seen in experiments on and after impact. For the past 14 years Thornhill has lied that there was a flash before impact. But Sol88 still believes in a persistent liar !

The real insanity still in Thornhill's lying "confirmed predication" page is his stupidity of using uncited sources (press releases?) rather than the scientific literature.

The lies are emphasized on a Interim Report on Deep Impact page.

1. The ejecta was up to 50% water - not a fantasy of "insufficient water".
2. A delusion of a not observed "impact/electrical discharge" not revealing "primordial dirty ice" when the ejecta was observed to be dirty ice! A delusion that the ejecta would have an impact on the composition of the coma.
3. A delusion that NASA investigators being stunned by images is science. The energy actually output by the impact was as predicted.
4. The blatant lie about an advance flash being supported by 2 flashes. A "no one on NASA’s investigative team had anticipated this" delusion when it is likely that some investigators knew about the Ames Gun Range experiments with 2 flashes.
5. A delusion that no data about temperatures supports their temperatures fantasies.
6. A delusion that someone being surprised by the overload of the camera by light from the impact supports their delusions about comets.
7. A NASA should "carefully review the rate at which ejecta filled the coma" delusion. These are their delusions, they need to support them.
8. A "system did indeed fail a few seconds before impact" lie.
9. A blatant lie of tracing rays back to their source of 2 ejecta craters. There were no such images of any rays or craters on Jul 19, 2005.
   NASA had to reroute Stardust to get a good image of the 1 and only crater.
10. A delusion about the size of the crater.
11. A delusion that not detecting x-rays and probably lying about what can be detected supports their delusions of x-rays.
12. A delusion about OH and thus water forming in the coma.
13. Thornhill delusions about x-rays in cometary coma.
14. Thunderbolts insanity that they see " cleaning and electrostatic implantation" in space and will see evidence of that on Tempel 1's surface.
15. A deluded lie that jets cannot maintain their structure in space.
16. A lie that astronomers do not expect "fine dust" at comets.
17. A lie that mainstream comets have to have "softened relief".
18. A deluded lie that "small white spots" on Wild 2 and "featureless patches" on Tempel 1 are evidence of electrical surface arcing.

 

[Sol88]

I'd think you'd have enough to explain, in answer to my last post (not that I expected anything significant). You're not even embarrassed that you don't know what a CIR is?

That seems to be the standard answer for all EU/ES/EC proponents: "we have to wait until the next papers come out." Never does any such person say: "Maybe if I download the data and do some analysis, I might try to show that my ideas have some merit."

Patience, its a virtue.

Mainstream are coming round!

This little black duck aint gunna be able to change squat in the institutionalized mainstream science cabal.

But our understanding seems to be evolving as M.A'Hearn stated.

Unfortunately for it's away from the dirtysnowball.



Co-rotating Interaction Regions???

Birkeland Currents and Double layers are far more appropriate than that MHD crap

 

[jonesdave116]

Co-rotating Interaction Regions???

Birkeland Currents and Double layers are far more appropriate than that MHD crap

Lol. No wonder Tusenfem gave up! The unspeakable ignorance of the unqualified knows no bounds!

 

[Sol88]

The thing is Belz, that we have concluded differently. The problem for Sol88 is that we concluded this some decades ago. As he has repeatedly been told, with links to papers from the 90s onwards. Leaving out vacuum, dust dominates by both mass and volume. By mass, I think the best recent estimate was ~ 6:1. Of course, as the dust weighs more per unit volume than ice, the volume ratio is lower.
However, this is a strawman invented by the disingenuous high priest of the EU ists, Thornhill. Sol88 has therefore swallowed the lie hook, line and sinker. That is how Thornhill operates. Most people can easily see through him. Not Sol88, apparently.

Ahhhh...so comets a fluffy dust!

Except there NOT, are they!

Dude that dust is consolidated....it's bloody rock!

but thanks for bringing it back into the mix again

(c) What are comets made of?

At the simplest level, a very basic question is whether comets are mostly ice or mostly rock/dirt/refractory material. Whipple’s [2] model of the dirty snowball, the first quantitative model, envisioned cometary nuclei as mostly ice, although our understanding has been evolving more toward mostly rock, particularly for 67P/C-G for which refractory/volatile ratios as high as 6 have been cited [3,4]. Nevertheless, there is still considerable uncertainty about even this basic parameter, not least of which is that most measurements are subject to selection effects in removing refractories from the nucleus to the coma, where they are observed as dust.

Comets: looking ahead

Not mostly ice.....mostly ROCK (consolidated dust)



Square 1 again champ.

 

[Sol88]

Lol. No wonder Tusenfem gave up! The unspeakable ignorance of the unqualified knows no bounds!

Your stuck in the gas light era still, 'ol mate!

 

[Reality Check]

The usual lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years

...

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral

Sol88's usual lies about the mainstream which is not "coming around" to his demented cult's electric comet insanity.

Sol88's usual ignorant delusions about Birkeland currents and double layers.

Sol88's usual lies about physics: MHD is valid plasma physics.

 

[Reality Check]

The usual lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years

...

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral

Sol88's usual insane lies about comets - the empirical evidence is that comets are made of ices and dust. Gravity and cohesion consolidates the ices and dust grains into consolidated ices and dust.

Sol88's usual insane lies about his demented cult's electric cult dogma which is actual rock blasted from planets including recently.

 

[Reality Check]

The usual lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years

...

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiralQUOTE]

Sol88's usual stupidity about other posters. jonesdave116 cites the scientific literature on comets - not Sol88's "gaslight" delusion.
ETA: That is nothing like Sol88's decades of abysmal ignorance and delusions about science parroted from Sol88's demented cult with some of his own ignorance and delusions.

 

[jonesdave116]

Your stuck in the gas light era still, 'ol mate!

Nope, I deal with the real world, based on evidence, observation and valid science. You don't. You just make **** up.

 

[Sol88]

please explain



Put into what math? Do you know how "work" is defined? Do you know what induced currents can and cannot do?
And yes, disturbances in the SW created by the tail of a comet linger, but that has nothing do to with "work". That is dependend on how fast magnetic structures diffuse.



ay indeed, showing you have no idea about that the abstract is about if you think it is "the tail and the solar wind acting as a corotational interaction region". Oy Gevalt!

I am already regretting coming back, I might just leave again.

Does the comets tail act as an obstacle to the solar wind?

 

[tusenfem]

Co-rotating Interaction Regions???

Birkeland Currents and Double layers are far more appropriate than that MHD crap

Sol88, the gift that keeps giving, never leaves out an opportunity to show his ignorance.

 

[tusenfem]

Does the comets tail act as an obstacle to the solar wind?

which tail?

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Sol88, the gift that keeps giving, never leaves out an opportunity to show his ignorance.

What's also telling is that he has admitted that he knows his so called theory is wrong, nor does he have any clue on how it could be made right, but like any religious indoctrinated person he then keeps using it as if that will make nature change to fit his ideas.

 

[Reality Check]

The usual lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years

Does the comets tail act as an obstacle to the solar wind?

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiralQUOTE]

Sol88's insanity of asking idiotic question to derail from his demented cult's electric comet insanity.

The answer is obvious to a high school science student - yes. Any gas hitting another gas will be obstructed to some extent. Any gas hitting dust will be obstructed to some extent. The solar wind hitting the sublimated gases, dust grains and ice grains of the comet tails will be obstructed to some extent .

 

[Sol88]

which tail?

From the Ulysses mission.

 

[Reality Check]

The usual lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years

From the Ulysses mission.

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiralQUOTE]

Sol88's insanity of exposing his abysmal ignorance of astronomy (and even Google or Wikipedia!) to derail from his demented cult's electric comet insanity.

The Ulysses mission encountered three comet tails. The crossing of the tail of comet C/2006 P1 showed an "obstruction" of the solar wind: "measured solar wind velocity dropping from approximately 700 kilometers per second (1,566,000 mph) to less than 400 kilometers per second (895,000 mph).[14]"