Cont: Brexit: Now What? Magic 8 Ball's up

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catsmate said:
IIRR it happened on a small scale in the seventies, certainly it was proposed. It's a vastly better option that troops and the cops would likely be less unpopular, biased and corrupt than the PSNI.
Deploy troops and there will be deaths within a week.
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The rent a mob support units that provide such mutual support are not known for their tact and diplomacy.

I think uniform police from England standing at the border checking vehicles will be a target, with in hours of deployment.
 
Nessie said:
The rent a mob support units that provide such mutual support are not known for their tact and diplomacy.

I think uniform police from England standing at the border checking vehicles will be a target, with in hours of deployment.
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Probably, but in such a climate so would the PSNI, who'd be armed.
Hmm, two things spring to mind; a new use for the CNC and if course this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y5dy9URkLFI
 
That anyone would enter into a deal with Trump and not expect to be screwed big time by it amazes me. No one touched by Trump in any capacity ends up anything but far worse for it. But then again, Boris probably doesn't care about the overall or long term outcome; only the possible short term personal political advantage. And yet again, perhaps Boris is better at doing evil, reprehensible things than Trump and will be one of those few to come out ahead.
 
catsmate said:
In Ye Olde Days he'd come along personally to tell them. I blame Vicky.
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Rightly so. She's the one to blame.
Queen Victoria prorogued Parliament in person regularly between 1837 and 1854, after which she ceased to attend, allegedly because she disliked the ceremony.

This was the last occasion on which the Sovereign prorogued Parliament or gave the Royal Assent in person, and was also the last time the Speaker made a speech at prorogation.

From 1855, a prorogation speech, prepared by the Government, was read by the Lord Chancellor, and in 1867, Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli introduced the custom of having the Lord Chancellor read the prorogation speech in the first person, as if the Queen were speaking the words herself.​
 
Giordano said:
That anyone would enter into a deal with Trump and not expect to be screwed big time by it amazes me. No one touched by Trump in any capacity ends up anything but far worse for it. But then again, Boris probably doesn't care about the overall or long term outcome; only the possible short term personal political advantage. And yet again, perhaps Boris is better at doing evil, reprehensible things than Trump and will be one of those few to come out ahead.
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It won't be Boris that suffers, short or long term.
 
ceptimus said:
The EU want the border to stay open.

The Irish (north and south) want the border to stay open.

The British want the border to stay open.

The real question then is: who on earth is going to close the border, and why?

I suppose you think the EU will reluctantly close the border to preserve the purity of their market, even though they don't really want to, and it will be bitterly opposed by the Irish?
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No. The Irish will begin to monitor the border, because integrity of customs borders is what enables a customs union. If a portion of the border is open the country needs to allow goods from everywhere to enter, free of tariffs, checks, duties or laws.

The same goes for the UK. If it doesn't monitor the Irish border and if it doesn't create a customs border in the Irish sea while doing checks and levying tariffs on goods coming from elsewhere, it is in violation of WTO rules.

That's the WTO Brexit for you.

When the overwhelming majority of people want something to happen, why would they then prevent it from happening? That really would be politics gone mad.
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Yes, good observation. Brexit Britain is politics gone mad indeed.

If "the rules" mean that you can't do what everyone wants, then it's time to change the rules: these are rules invented by politicians - they're not laws of physics.
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It's called "The Withdrawal Agreement", UK is free to ratify that, or else take steps that will see the country remain in the EU. As you said if "the rules" mean you can't do what everyone wants then it's time to change said rules.

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
No. The Irish will begin to monitor the border, because integrity of customs borders is what enables a customs union. If a portion of the border is open the country needs to allow goods from everywhere to enter, free of tariffs, checks, duties or laws.

The same goes for the UK. If it doesn't monitor the Irish border and if it doesn't create a customs border in the Irish sea while doing checks and levying tariffs on goods coming from elsewhere, it is in violation of WTO rules.

That's the WTO Brexit for you.



Yes, good observation. Brexit Britain is politics gone mad indeed.



It's called "The Withdrawal Agreement", UK is free to ratify that, or else take steps that will see the country remain in the EU. As you said if "the rules" mean you can't do what everyone wants then it's time to change said rules.

McHrozni
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It seems like a bit if problem that they voted for a parliament that is 80%. Seems a bit of a mixed signal.
 
McHrozni said:
Parliament is 80% what?

McHrozni
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GlennB said:
Also, who are 'they' and which parliament are we talking about there?
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I guess it's an inaccurate reference to the current makeup of the UK Parliament in which the vast majority of MPs represent parties which had manifesto pledges to "respect the will of the people" and deliver Brexit.

The reasons why the 80% is inaccurate and why simply assuming that Labour MPs in particular are representatives for a pro-Brexit party have already been done to death in previous iterations of this thread so I won't allow myself to get "bobbed" and rehash them here.

Of course the critical thing is that a no-deal Brexit is an entirely different kettle of fish and AFAIK no MP was elected for a party with a manifesto pledge to deliver a no-deal Brexit.
 
The Don said:
I guess it's an inaccurate reference to the current makeup of the UK Parliament in which the vast majority of MPs represent parties which had manifesto pledges to "respect the will of the people" and deliver Brexit.

The reasons why the 80% is inaccurate and why simply assuming that Labour MPs in particular are representatives for a pro-Brexit party have already been done to death in previous iterations of this thread so I won't allow myself to get "bobbed" and rehash them here.

Of course the critical thing is that a no-deal Brexit is an entirely different kettle of fish and AFAIK no MP was elected for a party with a manifesto pledge to deliver a no-deal Brexit.
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Shhh!!

We all know this, we want the Brexiteer to unequivocally state that to take the "I NEVER said that" diversion away from him/her/it.

McHrozni
 
It seems that BoJo has been caught telling 'pork pies' about, well, pork pies.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49470831


How exactly being able to export a few pork pies to the USA for a niche market would compensate for the damage to done to agriculture by opening it up to US products is beyond me, and BoJo as well I suspect.
 
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Garrison said:
It seems that BoJo has been caught telling 'pork pies' about, well, pork pies.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49470831


How exactly being able to export a few pork pies to the USA for a niche market would compensate for the damage to done to agriculture by opening it up to US products is beyond me, and BoJo as well I suspect.
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It's straight out of of the President Trump playbook - say something that appeals to the audience it's targeted at, and when it turns out to be a complete lie, double down.

In response to Mr O'Callaghan, No 10 said the PM was correct when he said that Melton Mowbray pork pies are exported to Thailand and Iceland.

His remarks, it added, were based on a briefing note from the Department for International Trade, which said the company Walker & Sons exports small shipments to Iceland, Thailand, Singapore and the Caribbean.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49470831

However, when contacted by the BBC, Walker & Son - which says it makes and bakes 80% of all of the UK's Melton Mowbray pork pies - said it no longer exports pork pies.

"We are entirely focused on the UK market," a spokeswoman said.

The company said it used to export a "tiny amount" to Singapore - but had not done so "for some time".

A spokeswoman said none had been exported for "at least two years".
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Then again it's also typical of Boris Johnson to lie like a cheap rug:

During the Tory leadership contest earlier this year, Mr Johnson waved an Isle of Man kipper at the final hustings and claimed EU regulations require kipper suppliers to keep their products cool with ice pillows when they are delivered.

However, the EU rule covers fresh fish and not smoked products, such as kippers, and it is for national governments to set any rules.
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Yep, the Trump era has arrived in the UK. The difficulty he might face is that he has to face PMQs once a week when the house is sitting and his lies can be exposed a little better than Trump's. Maybe that's one of the reasons he wants to suspend the HoC for a time?
 
BobTheCoward said:
Special pleading.
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No. Parliament already voted against a no deal Brexit. The only reason Brexit continues to go forward is that the government broke promises made by the “leave” side in the Referendum that there would be a deal even prior to filing article 50.
 
GlennB said:
Yep, the Trump era has arrived in the UK. The difficulty he might face is that he has to face PMQs once a week when the house is sitting and his lies can be exposed a little better than Trump's. Maybe that's one of the reasons he wants to suspend the HoC for a time?
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Boris Johnson is a skilled performer. Any attempt to pin him down in a lie in PMQ will result in a blizzard of Latin tabs and obfuscation with much cheering from the Conservative back-benches. IMO Jeremy Corbyn certainly isn't up to the task and I fear that the Great British public do love a toff and so any such performance in PMQ will only further endear him to the electorate :mad:
 
To be ruthlessly fair, is it not possible that Walker & Sons may not directly export pork pies, but that a third party company may do so?

Not quite sure what pork pies have got to with anything mind you, it's hardly a key international industry.
 
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