Cont: Brexit: Now What? Magic 8 Ball's up

[Pixel42]

Do you have evidence for this?
Or is it an unjustified smeers aimed at encouraging the type of attack we saw last week when a civil servant was stabbed leaving his London office.

BBC pollical correspondent Nick Eardley is quoting a "No 10 source" as saying it was leaked by a former minister.

https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1163039972271804416

 

[Delphic Oracle]

BBC pollical correspondent Nick Eardley is quoting a "No 10 source" as saying it was leaked by a former minister.



https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1163039972271804416

Ah, more of the traitors, oh excuse me "collaborators" narrative.

Brexit: putting the "united" in United Kingdom.

 

[Lothian]

BBC pollical correspondent Nick Eardley is quoting a "No 10 source" as saying it was leaked by a former minister.

https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1163039972271804416

This morning it was suggested by R4 that the leak would be useful to Johnston as he is about to go up the EU as it shows we have planned and are serious. That is why I am interested in Ceptimus's evidence.
Alternatively he is just rebel rousing and trying to deamonise government employees.

 

[catsmate]

Apparently it's Operation Yellowhammer that's leaked. Operation Black Swan is the worst case scenario, which does make you wonder what the hell is in that one.

Large scale civil insurrection. Belfast '69 again.

 

[catsmate]

Leaked by remainers in the civil service and the worst case scenarios then cherry picked and spun by a remainer journalist.

No it isn't.

 

[catsmate]

It seems that you're the ignorant one. Unlike you, I don't have a problem with understanding that the above are four different roles.

Maybe you can start blubbering about this next:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_Board_of_Trade

There's also Lord President of the Council.

 

[Arcade22]

If we walk away with no deal now, we will not be subject to the backstop (unless we later choose to sign up for a backstop which seems unlikely).

If we accept the withdrawal agreement then the backstop becomes law by binding international treaty, and if the EU wish they can then keep us in it indefinitely.

If the EU was not negotiating in good faith and kept stalling the negotiations in an attempt to keep the UK in the customs union indefinitely, the UK would absolutely be justified in unilaterally abandoning the backstop.

Of course there was never any risk at all the EU would try to do that. It's just one of the excuses the extremists came up with to justify voting against the deal.

 

[Nessie]

More ignorance.

Current EU Presidents:

European Parliament president: David-Maria Sassoli
European Council president: Donald Tusk
European Commission president: Jean-Claude Junker
Presidency of the Council of the EU: currently held by Finland, so Antti Rinne

You could do a similar list with all the UK's governmental institutions, from PM to The Leader of the House of Lords to the various devolved parliaments. You could add the Queen as Head of State for good measure.

It is good for democracy that power is split and shared around.

 

[Nessie]

As usual from you, mere assertion with no supporting argument - and an insult thrown in to boot. In fact even your assertion this time was only implied - your post consisted almost entirely of insult.

In what ways do you think the SNP, Plaid Cymru, and Irish nationalist parties differ, in their fundamental aims, from UKIP? They are all parties whose overriding objective is to secede from a larger political union to which their countries currently belong.

That is like claiming the governments of China, the USA and Russia are quite similar because they all want the best for their country.

 

[GlennB]

More ignorance.

Current EU Presidents:

European Parliament president: David-Maria Sassoli
European Council president: Donald Tusk
European Commission president: Jean-Claude Junker
Presidency of the Council of the EU: currently held by Finland, so Antti Rinne

Why obsess over the word 'president'?

We have a Governor of the Bank of England, but if he were titled 'president' would you count it against him?

We have a Mayor of London who could just as easily - but for tradition - be called President of London.

Bottom line - why list EU 'presidents' at all?

The etymology: "appointed governor of a province; chosen leader of a body of persons"

 

[Darat]

Why obsess over the word 'president'?

We have a Governor of the Bank of England, but if he were titled 'president' would you count it against him?

We have a Mayor of London who could just as easily - but for tradition - be called President of London.

Bottom line - why list EU 'presidents' at all?

The etymology: "appointed governor of a province; chosen leader of a body of persons"

And if I recall correctly Johnson became PRESIDENT of the Oxford Union.....

 

[Information Analyst]

There's also Lord President of the Council.

I wish I'd thought of that one, the current incumbent being right up Ceptimus's alley....

 

[ceptimus]

You could do a similar list with all the UK's governmental institutions, from PM to The Leader of the House of Lords to the various devolved parliaments. You could add the Queen as Head of State for good measure.

It is good for democracy that power is split and shared around.

Another diversion. Yeah, we all know that most COUNTRIES have different leaders for their different institutions - the point is that most TRADE ASSOCIATIONS don't need such.

After someone claimed that other countries nearly all belonged to trade organisations like the EU, posting a map as evidence, I pointed out that those other trade organisations are wholly different to the EU.

I told you that, unlike the EU, they don't have common currencies, freedom of movement, supreme courts and such. I also pointed out that they don't have multiple presidents.

Unable to argue with those clear facts, the idiots here decided to quibble about the least important of those differences - the multiple presidents.

So I schooled them on their errors, posting a list of the current presidents, and they've been butt hurt and whinging ever since.

It's typical of the remainer types that form the vast majority of posters to this thread that when they are unable to argue substantive points, they resort to quibbling about minutiae and flinging insults. That doesn't work for them though - any impartial readers of this thread (if there are any) can work out for themselves who's right and who's wrong.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Another diversion. Yeah, we all know that most COUNTRIES have different leaders for their different institutions - the point is that most TRADE ASSOCIATIONS don't need such.

After someone claimed that other countries nearly all belonged to trade organisations like the EU, posting a map as evidence, I pointed out that those other trade organisations are wholly different to the EU.

I told you that, unlike the EU, they don't have common currencies, freedom of movement, supreme courts and such. I also pointed out that they don't have multiple presidents.

Unable to argue with those clear facts, the idiots here decided to quibble about the least important of those differences - the multiple presidents.

So I schooled them on their errors, posting a list of the current presidents, and they've been butt hurt and whinging ever since.

It's typical of the remainer types that form the vast majority of posters to this thread that when they are unable to argue substantive points, they resort to quibbling about minutia and flinging insults. That doesn't work for them though - any impartial readers of this thread (if there are any) can work out for themselves who's right and who's wrong.

Mercosur has freedom of movement. ASEAN is working towards it.

You havent explained why any of the things you complained about are bad things though.

All you seem to have highlighted is that the EU has been more successful than others in integrating more fully. This would be a positive thing.

ETA: Mercosur has a court as well. Having been shown to be wrong again ceptimus will now bluster, change topic, disappear for a couple of days and then come back to be completely wrong about something else.

 

[GlennB]

Of the leak of 'Operation Yellowhammer':

"Michael Gove, the Cabinet Office minister in charge of no-deal planning, said the document showed “absolutely the worst case”, and it was an “old document” that did not reflect significant steps taken by Johnson’s administration over the last four weeks."

Last 4 weeks ... so much progress ... **giggle** ... **sob**

 

[The Atheist]

Of the leak of 'Operation Yellowhammer':

I do believe I said a couple of weeks ago that smart Pommies would be hoarding essential supplies.

My advice now is to double the amount of supplies you're going to need.

Happy to act as export agent in NZ for anyone wanting a channel to buy toilet paper!

 

[Samson]

Priti Patel, the home secretary, is understood to have sent some of her civil servants to Singapore to study their border model, as she wants free movement to end on the dot of 31 October.

What a classy woman, she also wants the return of capital punishment though she lamely claims to have been misunderstood.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-document-predicting-no-deal-brexit-shortages

 

[Samson]

A view from New Zealand:

The small island nation was forced to consider its own place in a world dominated by economic superpowers. Llewellyn said the UK's sense of importance could make the comedown even more painful.

"New Zealanders have no delusions of grandeur whatsoever," he said. The country "can't, it's too small."

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12259677

 

[The Don]

The leaking of details of Operation Yellowhammer could equally have been done at the government's request on the grounds that anything better than the most dire scenarios can be used to demonstrate what a resounding success Brexit has been

Only sporadic food riots, just localised fuel shortages and a minority of critical pharmaceuticals being unavailable ? Operation Yellowhammer, and by extension the whole of Brexit, has been a national triumph

 

[McHrozni]

The leaking of details of Operation Yellowhammer could equally have been done at the government's request on the grounds that anything better than the most dire scenarios can be used to demonstrate what a resounding success Brexit has been

It's playing with fire, publishing the report gives impetous to stopping the no-deal Brexit.
Of course the no-deal Brexit itself is playing with fire, but no-deal Brexit is the kind of fire that burns in ways they consent to being burned, because they get well paid for it.

Only sporadic food riots, just localised fuel shortages and a minority of critical pharmaceuticals being unavailable ? Operation Yellowhammer, and by extension the whole of Brexit, has been a national triumph

All of these are actually preventable or at least managable to a fair extent by a marginally competent administration and no preparation. You just need to have customs officials work overtime until further notice and use the overtime to clear through whatever is in short supply at that moment. At extra 8 hours/week this increases the theoretical capacity by 20%, but let's say you manage half that. It is unlikely staples and pharmaceuticals in short supply combined represent significantly more than 10% of all imports.

Yes, the gridlock is a problem, yes the economy will suffer, but there were be NO food riots, only occasional short supply of some non-staple foods and no pharmaceuticals were actually unavailable, so the Project Fear is defeated forever.

McHrozni