Norman Alexander
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Plenty of empty seats. And Elton's attendance figure was set in 2004.
Also, what's with these references to "HATERS"? You sound a lot like Kellyanne Conjob, not a US president, Donny.
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Also, what's with these references to "HATERS"? You sound a lot like Kellyanne Conjob, not a US president, Donny.
I think this is the correct rally
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Russian bots have been busy today.
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Not that any of this matters, but concerts don't have overflow. I'd bet that there's never been overflow used at the arena before. Hence, fill the arena to capacity with some in overflow and you'll be the record holder.
For SNHU arena. Ooh.
Anyway, filling an arena is a great indication that Trump is the best president ever, except maybe for Lincoln.
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That photo could be in the obstructed view area. Without context, I wouldn't take it too seriously. I would take the fire marshal's claim seriously.
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Capacity would include the obstructed view areas.
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Capacity for a given event surely excludes obstructed view? I could be wrong, but it doesn't matter whether it was full to literal capacity or to usable capacity.
I'm sure that part of the arena couldn't be filled by Elton John or any other performer. Aside from sports events, there's bound to be some unusable seats (ignoring unusual stage setups, I suppose). If no sports events have sold out and if more folks were seated or in overflow than in any other event, then Trump had the biggest turnout ever for that college arena.
In any case, the fire marshal claims (allegedly?) that it was the largest crowd in the arena. He seems to be a guy who would know, more 'n likely, and I will take his word for it until I see reason not to. A photo like that is poor evidence compared to the fire marshal's assessment.
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Context: https://twitter.com/eradecic/status/1162794073201229826
It wasn't an obstructed view. It just wasn't filled.
It wasn't an obstructed view. It just wasn't filled.
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Thanks for the context.
This isn't an issue that deserves much thought and consideration. It is the teeniest of Trump's lies, if it's a lie.
But I'll point out that we're left with the testimony of a twitter user I don't know and a photo taken at an unknown time. I can't tell, but there appears to be no one at the podium. My image editor reports no EXIF data to determine the time (given a correctly set time on the camera).
On the other hand, we have the secondhand testimony of the fire marshal. I haven't bothered to look and see whether he said this publicly or not.
I tend to favor the latter, presuming it's being faithfully reported for now. I also tend to think deciding whether this is true or false isn't worth the time I've put into it already. If it's false, I reckon that it will end up on the Post's fact checker site. If it doesn't, then I'll presume it's true.
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I think you've already given the topic more consideration that it's worth. Is it a lie? Yes. Every number Trump has ever said so far has been a lie to flatter himself and distract people, who get caught up proving that he's lying about something petty instead of pointing out his bigotry and general incompetence.
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That's not reasoning I tend to use.
His past performance indicates that I should not consider his testimony as evidence. It doesn't mean that when he says something involving numbers, I should regard it as false.
The Greater Fool
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Another yuge difference: People had to pay for assigned seating for EJ, any idiot could walk in and sit anywhere to see DT.
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Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes:
Strange times.
No, not really an aspect of the times in and of itself. For groups where violence is a way of life, either by choice or a matter of survival, such concepts of 'proving ones mettle' to demonstrate ones manhood or simply ones usefulness to the group would not be uncommon. Even to the point where those beating you, or you are beating, are your own members. What is an aspect of the times are peoples general exposure to such concepts while not being members, related to members or generally directly impacted by such groups.
Heck, given their proclivities it would be strange if such a concept of proving oneself through violence wasn't part of their ethos.
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Well, it seems the Portland Nazi rally fell apart even before it started. Most of the leadership abandoned their demonstrators to their own devices and the rally that was supposed to last five hours didn’t make it an hour, with alt-right groups begging the police for escorts away from the demonstration area (which was limited to just under a bridge).
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Looks like some small skirmishes were all that happened. 13 arrests reported. The police were far better prepared to keep the groups away from each other than say, Charlottesville.
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Suit yourself. I find there's only so many times I'm willing to extend someone the benefit of the doubt. I don't know how many people were there, but I know it wasn't 11.5k. If it were, he'd have said 15.
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...As a local (New York) politician noted this afternoon, "Once again president Trump aligns himself with white Nationalists."
Strange times.
The president of the United States implicitly and publicly defending a really vicious right wing group. And on the 50th anniversary of Woodstock, too. Really strange times.
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Trump Tweets
The Failing New York Times, in one of the most devastating portrayals of bad journalism in history, got caught by a leaker that they are shifting from their Phony Russian Collusion Narrative (the Mueller Report & his testimony were a total disaster), to a Racism Witch Hunt.....
.....”Journalism” has reached a new low in the history of our Country. It is nothing more than an evil propaganda machine for the Democrat Party. The reporting is so false, biased and evil that it has now become a very sick joke...But the public is aware! #CROOKEDJOURNALISM
With all that this Administration has accomplished, think what my Poll Numbers would be if we had an honest Media, which we do not!
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
The Failing New York Times, in one of the most devastating portrayals of bad journalism in history, got caught by a leaker that they are shifting from their Phony Russian Collusion Narrative (the Mueller Report & his testimony were a total disaster), to a Racism Witch Hunt.....
.....”Journalism” has reached a new low in the history of our Country. It is nothing more than an evil propaganda machine for the Democrat Party. The reporting is so false, biased and evil that it has now become a very sick joke...But the public is aware! #CROOKEDJOURNALISM
With all that this Administration has accomplished, think what my Poll Numbers would be if we had an honest Media, which we do not!
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
No, nothing wrong with the psychological health of the POTUS if he has the ability to focus on something so utterly unimportant.
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