Greta Thunberg - brave campaigner or deeply disturbed?

[Vixen]

Charter for the yacht? I thought you said Greta's parents bought it for her. It and the whole crew.

Can her parents do anything right in your eyes?

Also, why are you still so determined to deprive Greta Thunberg of any agency? Are you jealous that she's doing more at her age than you've managed to do during your whole life, so it just has to be her parents?

Not at all. I can remember the scares about nuclear war. Every generation has their own cause. I did climate change from a business POV as a case study. Companies producing and selling solar panels were making huge profits and there was a scandal when quite a few of them went under, taking their creditors' monies with them.

If you look up the Thunbergs on Google you will will see Greta is backed by profit making organisations hoping to cash in on the green economy.

All this gumpf that no-one is allowed to dare say a sceptical word because Greta is a 'sixteen-year-old child with autism' is a logical fallacy.

Greta is sincere but her parents and the big corporations pushing her forward are rubbing their hands in glee and can hear the kerching sounds the more PR she gets.

I am sorry if an obvious truth is too hard for you to bear but I am not going to act as though Greta is some kind of messiah.

 

[Vixen]

I went to Devil's Point in Plymouth to see Greta off on her journey to the US. Here's a photo I took of her waving at me:

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Great pic. Is that her dad at the back keeping out of the lime light?

 

[uke2se]

Not at all. I can remember the scares about nuclear war. Every generation has their own cause. I did climate change from a business POV as a case study. Companies producing and selling solar panels were making huge profits and there was a scandal when quite a few of them went under, taking their creditors' monies with them.

Ok, so the reason you deny Greta any agency is because some green companies took creditors' money? That doesn't make any sense.

If you look up the Thunbergs on Google you will will see Greta is backed by profit making organisations hoping to cash in on the green economy.

I'm sure they are backing her cause. Are they directly sponsoring her? Can you prove that they are?

Did you know that all sponsors for the yacht have had their logos stripped for this voyage?

All this gumpf that no-one is allowed to dare say a sceptical word because Greta is a 'sixteen-year-old child with autism' is a logical fallacy.

No, that sentence is a logical fallacy, specifically a straw man fallacy.

Greta is sincere but her parents and the big corporations pushing her forward are rubbing their hands in glee and can hear the kerching sounds the more PR she gets.

I asked you to prove this before. Put up or shut up.

I am sorry if an obvious truth is too hard for you to bear but I am not going to act as though Greta is some kind of messiah.

If it's so obvious you shouldn't have any trouble at all proving it. Thus far you have failed spectacularly, despite being called on your BS multiple times.

Stop running your mouth and start producing evidence.

 

[uke2se]

Great pic. Is that her dad at the back keeping out of the lime light?

Him being present would no doubt be a bad thing because the sneak is trying to keep away from the cameras (by going on his daughters highly publicized trip), and likewise, him not being there would be a bad thing because he would be leaving his vulnerable daughter alone on a boat trip over the Atlantic.

Am I right, Vixen? Poor guy just can't catch a break from you. Guess he should be glad nobody important listens to you, unlike his daughter.

 

[Vixen]

Him being present would no doubt be a bad thing because the sneak is trying to keep away from the cameras (by going on his daughters highly publicized trip), and likewise, him not being there would be a bad thing because he would be leaving his vulnerable daughter alone on a boat trip over the Atlantic.

Am I right, Vixen? Poor guy just can't catch a break from you. Guess he should be glad nobody important listens to you, unlike his daughter.

He and his wife are ardent 'green' activists, are they not? Because of their social status they have had reams of articles in Dagens Nyheter, have they not?

So why doesn't Greta and her parents all pose together? I'll tell you why, because the carefully constructed image of 'Greta the lone warrior' is a great media magnet.

Rather like the secretly married pop stars of yesteryear had to pretend they were single so as not to put the fans off and ruin their earning power.

 

[Checkmite]

So why doesn't Greta and her parents all pose together?

Like this?

 

[jimbob]

He's just hungry for the attention.

Why doesn't he stay in the background?

Why did he keep her mother out of the picture?

 

[uke2se]

He and his wife are ardent 'green' activists, are they not? Because of their social status they have had reams of articles in Dagens Nyheter, have they not?

The father is a fairly well known actor and the mother is an opera singer. They are bound to have many articles printed about them.

But, again, your reply to my post has nothing to do with my post. I don't understand why you bother quoting me when you are going to discuss something completely different to what I was discussing. Again, it's like you don't understand the basics of human communication.

So why doesn't Greta and her parents all pose together? I'll tell you why, because the carefully constructed image of 'Greta the lone warrior' is a great media magnet.

Which percentage of photos of them posing together would disprove this nonsense for you?

And if that percentage is too high, will you immediately flip and claim that it proves that they are behind her efforts?

Rather like the secretly married pop stars of yesteryear had to pretend they were single so as not to put the fans off and ruin their earning power.

I don't even...

 

[BobTheCoward]

As I said, this is less of a deal than her December portion. This summit literally has a youth summit (which she is too young for)?

Because important things have youth summits. Remember how important that youth summit was in planning operation overlord?

 

[uke2se]

He's just hungry for the attention.

Why doesn't he stay in the background?

Why did he keep her mother out of the picture?

Surely the lack of pictures of Greta posing with George Soros proves that he's behind her efforts, doesn't it? I mean, why aren't they posing together? It is, of course, because the image George Soros has created for Greta is that of a lone warrior. It's all very logical.

 

[lionking]

Charter for the yacht? I thought you said Greta's parents bought it for her. It and the whole crew.

Can her parents do anything right in your eyes?

Also, why are you still so determined to deprive Greta Thunberg of any agency? Are you jealous that she's doing more at her age than you've managed to do during your whole life, so it just has to be her parents?

I think you’ve nailed it.

 

[BobTheCoward]

I think you’ve nailed it.

This would be an interesting comment if she had done something.

 

[jimbob]

This would be an interesting comment if she had done something.

I know you like to play Spock, but raising global warming on the political agenda is an achievement.

 

[BobTheCoward]

I know you like to play Spock, but raising global warming on the political agenda is an achievement.

That was awesome when the first million people did it. Al Gore for example. Through no fault of her own, the returns are extremely diminished.

 

[Vixen]

The father is a fairly well known actor and the mother is an opera singer. They are bound to have many articles printed about them.

But, again, your reply to my post has nothing to do with my post. I don't understand why you bother quoting me when you are going to discuss something completely different to what I was discussing. Again, it's like you don't understand the basics of human communication.



Which percentage of photos of them posing together would disprove this nonsense for you?

And if that percentage is too high, will you immediately flip and claim that it proves that they are behind her efforts?



I don't even...

The articles aren't about them. It is pages of Malena hammering home the climate change message.

Malena and Svante (named after Svante Arnnehius, not Svante Sture) are archetypal proud parents living vicariously through their daughter/s.

Good luck to them but let's not pretend Greta is any random schoolgirl.

 

[Vixen]

I think you’ve nailed it.

You can't possibly know what I've done in my lifetime.

 

[Vixen]

I know you like to play Spock, but raising global warming on the political agenda is an achievement.

That's well and good but she's not the first by a long chalk.

 

[Foolmewunz]

That was awesome when the first million people did it. Al Gore for example. Through no fault of her own, the returns are extremely diminished.

Life is an Instagram account, now? "Hey, we got a million likes and Lady Gaga retweeted us, we can stop protesting the pulp mill pumping arsenic into the reservoir, Marge. Wanna play some Dungeons and Dragons for the rest of our lives?"

If what little she does helps to boost awareness, I'm all for it. What's the downside, really? No one's taking your hard-earned rights to your individual property away. Do you have better things she could be doing with the funds that she's using? They're not YOUR funds, doesn't it fly in the face of all Bob-Logic that you would give a rat's ass what she does?

 

[BobTheCoward]

Life is an Instagram account, now? "Hey, we got a million likes and Lady Gaga retweeted us, we can stop protesting the pulp mill pumping arsenic into the reservoir, Marge. Wanna play some Dungeons and Dragons for the rest of our lives?"

If what little she does helps to boost awareness, I'm all for it. What's the downside, really? No one's taking your hard-earned rights to your individual property away. Do you have better things she could be doing with the funds that she's using? They're not YOUR funds, doesn't it fly in the face of all Bob-Logic that you would give a rat's ass what she does?

I haven't thought about any sort of financial or property costs. As far as I was concerned she was using a teleportation circle. I was discussing her level of accomplishment in an absolute sense and not a marginal benefit vs marginal costs.

 

[Matthew Best]

Great pic. Is that her dad at the back keeping out of the lime light?

Not sure which one is her dad - he is on the boat with her, though.