Cont: Brexit: Now What? Magic 8 Ball's up

[Information Analyst]

Your RNs get paid minimum wage?

No, nurses in the NHS are on AfC Band 5, which is currently £24,214 to £30,112 in six points, with a 20% uplift for Inner London, or 15% for Outer London.

The full UK minimum wage is just over £16,000.

 

[jimbob]

I do pretty much support unilateral tariff abolition yes.

I think the problem is if you are suddenly doing this whilst leaving a massive customs union with zero tariffs. You are then negotiating to get low tariffs on your goods but without anything to encourage reciprocity.

Whilst having a major recession.

And it's probably not the tariffs as much as the standards that are the problems.

 

[Information Analyst]

We don't value medical staff, doctors or nurses in the UK.

It might be old data, but this suggests otherwise:

http://www.worldsalaries.org/professionalnurse.shtml

That shows the US and Australia paying more, but the UK ahead of the rest of Europe.

 

[Ape of Good Hope]

I think all subsidies to farmers and other industries are a bad thing.

Maybe you need to be more flexible on this issue, like Dominic:

Brexit enforcer Cummings’ farm took €235,000 in EU handouts

 

[McHrozni]

It’s essentially the same thing as receivership in in US bankruptcy proceedings.

Ouch. Basically "bend over, if you relax it won't hurt as much" kind of thing.

McHrozni

 

[McHrozni]

It is highly likely that the terms of a US/UK trade agreement would be weighted heavily in favour of the US. Even if there are no tariffs, there are non-tariff barriers which could be made to work in the US' favour.

Examples include the UK having to adopt US standards so that all US goods can be exported (chlorinated chicken and so on), and the UK having no quota for US exports but the US imposing very small quotas for UK goods.

In a negotiation between equal partners, the UK would insist that the US didn't subsidise (or that there were tariffs to compensate), but this won't be that kind of negotiation IMO.

I think we've seen plenty of Trumpian negotiations at work to make a prediction. USA will draft a proposal and demand UK agrees to it in full. If UK disagrees the negotiations will be over and UK will be trashed in the press for being difficult. Once it does agree USA will alter the deal to be more beneficial to them and demand UK sign on to this new deal instead. This could go on for a while.

It needs to be like this or else Trump will not be able to use it against Pelosi. He might be able to leverage a truly great deal for the USA against the Democrats when they refuse to ratify it.

If UK goes along with it and it somehow goes through it will be trading a union where it is the first among equals for a union where it is a junior partner. In the name of making Britain great again, no less.

McHrozni

 

[P.J. Denyer]

We The government don't value medical staff, doctors or nurses in the UK.

FTFY

 

[The Don]

Boris Johnson blaming Remainers for all of Brexit's woes again....

Boris Johnson has accused MPs "who think they can block Brexit" of a "terrible collaboration" with the European Union.

The prime minister said the EU had become less willing to compromise on a new deal with the UK because of the opposition to leaving in Parliament.

He said this increased the likelihood of the UK being "forced to leave with a no-deal" in October.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49348072

 

[The Don]

Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi is making it quite clear that any UK/US trade deal is dependent on the Good Friday Agreement being maintained:

A US-UK trade deal will not get through Congress if Brexit undermines the Good Friday Agreement, the Speaker of the US House of Representatives has said.

Democrat Nancy Pelosi, whose party controls the House, said the UK's exit from the EU could not be allowed to endanger the Irish peace deal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49348062

Then again, as McHrozni has suggested, the UK could agree a deal so much in the US's favour that to try and block it in congress, even if the GFA has been broken, would be politically damaging.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Boris Johnson blaming Remainers for all of Brexit's woes again....



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49348072

'Forced to leave' is the new term for 'choosing to jump off a cliff'

 

[The Don]

'Forced to leave' is the new term for 'choosing to jump off a cliff'

"You're forcing me to starve because you won't give me the CORE Seasons tasting menu with accompanying wine flight for £10 "

"If you pay the £250 you can have the tasting menu and wine"

"Don't want to pay £250 "

"Well then, you could have fish and chips or a takeaway pizza for £10"

"Want gourmet food not takeaway "

"Well you could compromise and have the set lunch and a single glass of wine at another top restaurant for around £50"

"Don't want to compromise, want exactly what I asked for "

....and that's exactly how Boris Johnson and his cronies are being forced.

 

[ceptimus]

Maybe you need to be more flexible on this issue, like Dominic:

Brexit enforcer Cummings’ farm took €235,000 in EU handouts

You can't blame him for claiming what he's entitled to, and it's very much to his credit that he's willing to give up this source of income in order that the country can leave the EU.

 

[ceptimus]

Boris Johnson blaming Remainers for all of Brexit's woes again....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49348072

He's absolutely right. You would think Phillip Hammond and others like him were employees of the EU, not MPs who are elected by and paid by UK taxpayers.

 

[Dave Rogers]

You can't blame him for claiming what he's entitled to, and it's very much to his credit that he's willing to give up this source of income in order that the country can leave the EU.

For once, I actually agree with you; this is morally equivalent to shaming Emma Thompson for flying to New York. Hopefully this is the first of a series of more reasonable...

He's absolutely right. You would think Phillip Hammond and others like him were employees of the EU, not MPs who are elected by and paid by UK taxpayers.

Oh. Oh well, never mind.

Dave

 

[lomiller]

You can't blame him for claiming what he's entitled to, and it's very much to his credit that he's willing to give up this source of income in order that the country can leave the EU.

Again for reference: I’m Canadian so I have no dog in the fight.

With that in mind as a mostly independent third party, it’s clear that the EU is the reasonable ones here. What they are demanding fits all international norms for how nations interact. It’s BJ and Brexiters in general with the false sense of entitlement and whining because no one will conform to their completely unreasonable expectations

 

[Lothian]

He's absolutely right. You would think Phillip Hammond and others like him were employees of the EU, not MPs who are elected by and paid by UK taxpayers.

In the last election the Tories got 43% of the vote and 327 MPs. In the referendum Remain got 48% of the vote and you object to any MPs representing them.

Why do you hate the views of the electorate being reflected in parliament?

 

[The Don]

He's absolutely right. You would think Phillip Hammond and others like him were employees of the EU, not MPs who are elected by and paid by UK taxpayers.

In particular it's the term "collaborators", making them seem like Nazi collaborators that sticks in the craw

 

[ceptimus]

It's almost like the word collaborator was never used by anyone, in any other context than when referring to Nazis.

Remoaners sure are getting desperate now - a good example being Green MP Caroline Lucas's recent sexist and non-inclusive article - if you really want to criticize an MP for saying or writing offensive stuff about Brexit, then you should begin with her.

 

[ceptimus]

It’s BJ and Brexiters in general with the false sense of entitlement and whining because no one will conform to their completely unreasonable expectations.

How is saying, "We will leave on the agreed written-in-law deadline, with or without your help." whining, or having false expectations?

 

[The Don]

It's almost like the word collaborator was never used by anyone, in any other context than when referring to Nazis. .

Dunno, a quick Google search indicates that that's the current usage.