Mosque attacked in Norway

Ryokan said:
I wouldn't put too much into his statement of "Valhalla awaits". He's Norwegian. It's part of our culture. It simply meant he was planning to die in battle.

His co-workers say he had become more religious lately, religious meaning Christian.
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Well a lot of white supremacists mix the two a lot. Like trying to figure out if Anders Brevik is a christian or pagan is really hard as he appears to be both.
 
McHrozni said:
This is not a bad point. No one will balk at call this guy a terrorist or point out his beliefs played a direct role in bringing him to act. Of course they did, this is without question.

Whenever a Muslim does something like that, neither is true. Instead the tune is: "don't blame Islam", "terrorism has no religion", "poverty", "social exclusion", "Israel" and the like.

Nope. The cause in both instances is a xenophobic world view, amplified by the echo chamber that may also have a religious significance.

McHrozni
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You are right the true problem here is Christianity. And we all broadly accept that and know that until christianity is finally stopped this kind of violence will never end.

Wait no people never blame christianity as a whole for these attacks.
 
dann said:
I've never heard a Norwegian say or seen one write that until now.
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As a veteran, I've heard it plenty of times. Our vehicles were also given names from Norse mythology.
 
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ponderingturtle said:
Well a lot of white supremacists mix the two a lot. Like trying to figure out if Anders Brevik is a christian or pagan is really hard as he appears to be both.
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Try reading Breivik's manifesto. He didn't have much love for those who turned to pagan beliefs.
 
If you consider his attitudes, the wannabe shooter might be a Muslim extremist. An acquaintance of him says:

... Manshaus had both extremist and very old-fashioned attitudes.
"Among other things he said that a woman's place in the kitchen and not working outside the home. I told him that he risked getting slapped if he continued to say things like that," he says to TV2.
New information about the suspect in the mosque attack: Millionaire, misogynist and very interested in weapons (BT, Aug. 12, 2019)
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But I guess he is probably just a ordinary white supremacist incel. Their attitudes are sometimes hard to tell apart. I guess that for the next couple of years, he won't have to worry about what a woman's place is.
The article also says that he used to go to a Rudolf Steiner (or Waldorf) school.
 
Ryokan said:
Try reading Breivik's manifesto. He didn't have much love for those who turned to pagan beliefs.
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On the other hand, Varg Vikernes criticized Breivik for being a Christian. I think that they have both converted to some kind of Norse/Nazi religion nowadays.
Anders Behring Breivik: Religious and political views (Wikipedia).

Like I said in post 56: The most important thing to them is probably what they consider to be most Aryan. Christianty is too Middle Eastern for some racists.
 
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Cain said:
Even though Muslims were the intended target, I'm grateful and happy the attack was thwarted. What type of gun did the good guy use?
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The 65-year-old took away his bump stock and kicked his ass with it. :)
 
dann said:
This thread has been bluesjr'ed!
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What, on earth, makes a shooting in Norway "obviously [edit] something [that] is caused by Trump and/or his fans"?

Two attempts = two fails.
 
bluesjnr said:
What, on earth, makes a shooting in Norway "obviously [edit] something [that] is caused by Trump and/or his fans"?

Two attempts = two fails.
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Broadly Trump is far more a symptom than a cause of this rising white supremacy tide.
 
McHrozni said:
His actions will be entirely explained by Christianity when the shooter will be citing his Christian faith alone as the justification for his deeds.

You know, like the unmentionables.

Just saying.



Those are the usual talking points when a Muslim is involved, true. I happen to disagree with those. Don't you?



Really? Can you provide the methodology you used to quantify xenophobia of various religions and the methodology you used to determine which religion was guilty of most genocides?

Don't spare me the details, I'm all ears.

McHrozni
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A lot of people here seem to let Islam off the hook for the same things they condemn Christinaity for.
Fact is , neither one has a particularly good record.
 
dudalb said:
A lot of people here seem to let Islam off the hook for the same things they condemn Christinaity for.
Fact is , neither one has a particularly good record.
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That is not really true, the religious motivations when they are christian are often ignored in say cases of genocide like in the former Yugoslavia. The religious nature of that conflict gets ignored constantly because it was Christians doing the genocide.
 
ponderingturtle said:
That is not really true, the religious motivations when they are christian are often ignored in say cases of genocide like in the former Yugoslavia. The religious nature of that conflict gets ignored constantly because it was Christians doing the genocide.
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This is utter BS. The religious nature of the "Ethnic Cleansing" in Yugoslavia was extensively covered.
Of course you have the issue of religion becoming ethniticity.
 
dudalb said:
This is utter BS. The religious nature of the "Ethnic Cleansing" in Yugoslavia was extensively covered.
Of course you have the issue of religion becoming ethniticity.
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Yet it was always refered to as two ethnicities and one religion for some reason instead of three ethnicities or three religions.
 
ponderingturtle said:
That is not really true, the religious motivations when they are christian are often ignored in say cases of genocide like in the former Yugoslavia. The religious nature of that conflict gets ignored constantly because it was Christians doing the genocide.
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Yes, a lot of people here seem to let Christianity off the hook for the same things they condemn Islam for. Even when they they can't deny that religion may have played a role in a conflict, the Troubles, for instance, they hardly ever claim that every Christian is a potential terrorist or terrorist sympathizer the way they do with Muslims.
Even atheists in the West tend to be Christianocentric in this respect.
 
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