Jeffrey Epstein arrested for child sex trafficking

[Skeptic Ginger]

Maybe, maybe not. Most people don't know how long it takes to strangle someone, movies/tv make it seem like it takes less than a minute and shortly after they lose consciousness it's good to let go.

Movies never get it right.

When you strangle someone you can

cut off the blood supply to the brain
crush the trachea
or both.​

So it depends.

 

[Venom]

Me too. Everyone seems convinced that Hillary had him whacked because we all know arranging a prison assassination of the most high profile prisoner in the nation is way easy for someone that successfully rigged a presidential election.

Oh....I'm being told she lost the election.

"Dude, Venom, are you some child molester or something?

Why do you keep going on about this?"

Maybe cause you're being a paranoid ******* **** who cares more about pointing fingers than facts. Just a thought.

 

[Checkmite]

- do you accept as true the allegations that Epstein ran what amounted to a bordello on a private island, which he 'stocked' with underage girls?

I do not believe so.

My impression is that Epstein acquired a handful of underage girls primarily for his own use, and occasionally allowed select friends whose predilections were known to him to have access to one of them. I'm not convinced yet that it was some kind of business venture where providing entertainment for paying visitor/customers was the main point. More of a harem than a bordello, if you will.

 

[jimbob]

"Dude, Venom, are you some child molester or something?

Why do you keep going on about this?"

Maybe cause you're being a paranoid ******* **** who cares more about pointing fingers than facts. Just a thought.

Well in this case Travis is sarcastically referring to Trump's accusations against Clinton over this case.

Which, even for him, is low.

 

[mgidm86]

Well in this case Travis is sarcastically referring to Trump's accusations against Clinton over this case.

Which, even for him, is low.

Agreed. If what is claimed about Trump, Clinton or any of the others is true then I wish them a lot of physical pain for the rest of their lives. This goes for anyone who covered it up because a lot of people knew what Epstein was doing. I suspected Bill years ago, but he is certainly not the only one. Any man who flew to Epstein's island is suspect.

Hopefully Epstein's death only serves to accelerate the process of figuring out who did what.

 

[Venom]

A lot of people including scientists, diplomats and their staff went to Epstein's island. I'd bet most if it was purely business and he kept it under wraps more than people think.

 

[Arcade22]

A lot of people including scientists, diplomats and their staff went to Epstein's island. I'd bet most if it was purely business and he kept it under wraps more than people think.

And yet even seemingly reasonable people have a propensity to find satanic child abuse style nonsense actually believable.

The British police spent years investigating what was quite obviously incredible and unbelievable allegations, only to find out that the supposed secret society of murderous pedophiles, operating at the highest levels of British society, was nothing more than a complete fabrication of a pedophile fantasist. And yet the police publicly stated from the outset the allegations were "true and credible".

There are strong similarities here too, so it shouldn't come as a shock that some people don't find it all that unbelievable that Epstein was pimping out young children to Bill and Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump and other notable individuals for their murderous satanic pedophile orgies. Because that's what rich and famous people do when they can get away with it...

 

[cullennz]

A lot of people including scientists, diplomats and their staff went to Epstein's island. I'd bet most if it was purely business and he kept it under wraps more than people think.

Indeed

Obviously can't rule all of them out 100%, but I think the conferences with Stephen Hawking and the Nobel prize laureates were more to big up the geezers ego and own sense of importance rather than "getting the brainy dudes some flesh"

 

[dudalb]

Epstein was bascially a high class pimp, frankly.

 

[The Atheist]

Quick straw-poll;

- do you accept as true the allegations that Epstein ran what amounted to a bordello on a private island, which he 'stocked' with underage girls?

Based on my knowledge of how over-privileged, rich, white men act, yes. Not a paying brothel, but "Hey guys, come and have sex with a young teen on my private island!"

At the very least, I'd go with Epstein being asked about all the young girls he was with and him saying "Yeah, which one do you want?"

- did a substantial number of (wealthy and influential) associates of his, including some very famous names, make use of this bordello and the girls?

Less doubt on this one. Prince Andrew is the big one. Trump & Clinton wouldn't surprise me, but Andrew would surprise me if he hadn't.

Let's face it - these guys all clearly knew what Epstein was up to. He made no secret of it, and you couldn't possibly have spent time around his place without knowing what was going on.

Did any of them act to stop it?

No, because lots of them were enjoying the fruits of Epstein's orchard of young fruit.

- alternatively, were some/most/all of these names (logged on flights to the island, some numerous times) there for completely innocent reasons?

Charity. Yeah, that was it - it was all about his charitable work.

There's a Tui billboard in that somewhere.

 

[BobTheCoward]

I do not believe so.

My impression is that Epstein acquired a handful of underage girls primarily for his own use, and occasionally allowed select friends whose predilections were known to him to have access to one of them. I'm not convinced yet that it was some kind of business venture where providing entertainment for paying visitor/customers was the main point. More of a harem than a bordello, if you will.

We still have the issue of how did he make his money?

 

[Arcade22]

We still have the issue of how did he make his money?

Well it was probably not because he was prostituting teenagers:

The clearest sign of Mr. Wexner’s nearly limitless comfort with Mr. Epstein came in July 1991. Mr. Wexner signed a three-page legal document, known as a power of attorney, that enabled Mr. Epstein to hire people, sign checks, buy and sell properties and borrow money — all on Mr. Wexner’s behalf. Mr. Epstein, the document stated, had the “full power and authority to do and perform every act necessary” for Mr. Wexner.

“It takes a vast amount of trust to give someone total control,” said William P. LaPiana, an associate dean at New York Law School and a trust and estates expert who reviewed the document at the request of The Times. “Essentially what this means is, I can sign your name to anything.”

For the next 16 years, that document gave Mr. Epstein unmatched authority over Mr. Wexner’s financial affairs — and it corresponded to a period in which Mr. Epstein came to control or own valuable assets that previously belonged to Mr. Wexner or his companies.

Soon, Mr. Epstein’s name appeared on numerous Securities and Exchange Commission filings, listing him as a trustee for a series of ambiguously named entities like Health and Science Interests, Health and Science Interests II and International Charitable Interests, as well as trusts for Mr. Wexner’s children. Mr. Epstein had voting power over those interests, which came to own millions of dollars’ worth of Limited shares.

In Swiss banking documents related to some of Mr. Wexner’s entities, Mr. Epstein’s role was described as “manager of fortune.” The documents were included in an enormous leak of confidential records to the French newspaper Le Monde. They were shared with The Times through a collaboration organized by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/business/jeffrey-epstein-wexner-victorias-secret.html

Maybe Leslie Wexner was one of those "over-privileged, rich, white men", who'd have no problem at all just going to some guys private island to have sex with underage teenagers, no matter how obviously exposed that leaves them to blackmail from people like Epstein let alone legal penalties.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Well it was probably not because he was prostituting teenagers:



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/business/jeffrey-epstein-wexner-victorias-secret.html

Maybe Leslie Wexner was one of those "over-privileged, rich, white men", who'd have no problem at all just going to some guys private island to have sex with underage teenagers, no matter how obviously exposed that leaves them to blackmail from people like Epstein let alone legal penalties.

One explanation, of many possible with no regard to probability, is that power of attorney was a blackmail payment.

 

[Checkmite]

Epstein using the underage prostitutes for blackmail doesn't make sense, because it's either a two-headed snake or a wolf with no teeth, depending on how you look at it. Epstein couldn't expose anyone without taking himself down at the same time. He was not in a position to blackmail anyone.

 

[quadraginta]

Epstein using the underage prostitutes for blackmail doesn't make sense, because it's either a two-headed snake or a wolf with no teeth, depending on how you look at it. Epstein couldn't expose anyone without taking himself down at the same time. He was not in a position to blackmail anyone.

True, but it isn't that simple. The one being blackmailed might feel he has more to lose. Public figures tend to be like that.

Epstein being exposed as even more of a sleaze wouldn't really change things for him that much.

As long as it didn't involve prison time, of course.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

What's Trump's role in suit?

To always leave the jacket unbuttoned like a clod.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Epstein using the underage prostitutes for blackmail doesn't make sense, because it's either a two-headed snake or a wolf with no teeth, depending on how you look at it. Epstein couldn't expose anyone without taking himself down at the same time. He was not in a position to blackmail anyone.

Good point. It can just be payment from r elicit activity. No need to complicate an honest transaction.

 

[angrysoba]

Less doubt on this one. Prince Andrew is the big one. Trump & Clinton wouldn't surprise me, but Andrew would surprise me if he hadn't.

Let's face it - these guys all clearly knew what Epstein was up to. He made no secret of it, and you couldn't possibly have spent time around his place without knowing what was going on.

Did any of them act to stop it?

No, because lots of them were enjoying the fruits of Epstein's orchard of young fruit.

I’ve not followed the case so I’m wondering how you know this is true?

 

[The Atheist]

I’ve not followed the case so I’m wondering how you know this is true?

I don't know it's true, but given the weight of evidence, I think it's pretty likely, especially when someone as outright thick as Trump even noticed that he likes them "younger".

 

[smartcooky]

We still have the issue of how did he make his money?

Do the words "ponzi scheme" mean anything to you?