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Today's Mass Shooting

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A backlash is building over a picture posted by Melania Trump on Twitter that showed her and Donald Trump smiling broadly while holding a baby who was orphaned in the mass shooting in El Paso.

On a visit to El Paso this week, the president flashed a thumbs-up when posing with the two-month-old, whose parents Andre and Jordan Anchondo were shot dead last Saturday. When the picture was posted on the first lady’s Twitter account on Thursday, it prompted outrage.

On a hospital visit in El Paso, Trump then reignited a dispute with 2020 Democratic contender and former local congressman Beto O’Rourke over crowd sizes, before getting into a Twitter row with the Dayton mayor, Nan Whaley.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/09/trump-el-paso-melania-orphan-baby-thumbs-up

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Delphic Oracle said:
A couple things

Today's almost shooting:

Former firefighter stops man armed with 100 rounds of ammunition at south Springfield Walmart
Stay classy, Missouri...

And secondly, I see there's some discussion of California gun laws. Interesting history there, by the way.

I'll let Scahill do the talking for me:
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"Police stated that a young white male, appearing to be in his twenties, pulled up to the Walmart, where he donned body armor and military fatigues. Police say the man had tactical weapons... he grabbed a cart and began pushing it around the store. Police say the man was recording himself walking through the store via a cell phone."

Is it just me, or does that make it sound like the guy more like an open carry activist or sovereign citizen? People in both groups frequently record themselves doing normal activities while "exercising their rights" and provoking conflict, then upload the videos online to make a point about... something, I guess. If my assumption is right, it's still seriously tone deaf (even more than those people usually are), and the guy deserves whatever is going to happen to him.
 
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/09/us/houston-rush-hour-highway-shooting/index.html

A gunman is on the run after killing two men on a Houston freeway as horrified motorists watched during the Thursday evening rush hour, authorities said.

The fatal incident started as a crash involving two cars headed eastbound on Interstate 10, Houston Police Assistant Chief Bobby Dobbins said Thursday evening at a news conference. "One of the vehicles struck the other vehicle and spun it out ... similar to a pit maneuver," he said.

Two occupants of the vehicle that rammed the other car got out, Dobbins said. One had a weapon. The gunman, described by a witness as a Hispanic male, fired multiple shots at the car that had been rammed, pursuing it as it rolled down a hill.

One witness, who had a pistol in his car, fired several rounds when he saw the shooter turn toward him.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
A couple things

Today's almost shooting:

Former firefighter stops man armed with 100 rounds of ammunition at south Springfield Walmart
Stay classy, Missouri...

And secondly, I see there's some discussion of California gun laws. Interesting history there, by the way.

I'll let Scahill do the talking for me:
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Cool video, but in fairness, the NRA wasn't taken over by right-wing gun-nuts until the 70s (which is not to suggest that said right-wing gun nuts would defend black militias). It's simply a fact the NRA used to be much more amenable to firearm regulations. Their almost religious opposition is a relatively recent phenomenon.
 
While the lefties are pretending like the two nut-jobs who shot up Dayton and El Paso are the biggest news this year, 7 people were murdered and 52 wounded just in Chicago last weekend and Baltimore has reached 200 murders already this year. It's one giant "Look at the squirrel".
 
Cain said:
Cool video, but in fairness, the NRA wasn't taken over by right-wing gun-nuts until the 70s (which is not to suggest that said right-wing gun nuts would defend black militias). It's simply a fact the NRA used to be much more amenable to firearm regulations. Their almost religious opposition is a relatively recent phenomenon.
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But they didn't merely not defend the black militia, they affirmatively supported the bill. Well, more specifically they changed from having concerns with the bill to fully endorsing an even more restrictive bill.

The bill (brought forth after another incident with the Black Panthers) was floundering in the Judiciary Committee, in part because of the objections of sportsmen associations and the NRA, until the capitol incident. Then it was made even more restrictive. When Mulford testified to the Judiciary Committee that the bill had the "full support" of the NRA, it finally made it out of Committee.

Fast-tracked.

With an addendum for immediate enactment.

I agree the NRA went all-in later, but in this specific instance they were pressing concerns on the bill in question prior to the race angle being introduced, then they ran away from their "concerns."
 
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BrooklynBaby said:
While the lefties are pretending like the two nut-jobs who shot up Dayton and El Paso are the biggest news this year, 7 people were murdered and 52 wounded just in Chicago last weekend and Baltimore has reached 200 murders already this year. It's one giant "Look at the squirrel".
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Sucked you right in, didn't it.

The right winger posting that tried to say it was at a playground and implied it all happened in one event.

It wasn't and it didn't.
 
ArchSas said:
Is it just me, or does that make it sound like the guy more like an open carry activist or sovereign citizen? People in both groups frequently record themselves doing normal activities while "exercising their rights" and provoking conflict, then upload the videos online to make a point about... something, I guess. If my assumption is right, it's still seriously tone deaf (even more than those people usually are), and the guy deserves whatever is going to happen to him.
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Hey guess what, your assumption was right.

Mr. Andreychenko told the police that he had bought a rifle and body armor because of the recent shootings and the fatal stabbings of four people in Orange County, Calif., on Wednesday, according to the arrest report.

He shared his plans beforehand with his wife and sister, both of whom were questioned by the authorities and said they had warned Mr. Andreychenko that he would cause alarm, the police said.

“He said he wanted to see if the Walmart manager would respect his Second Amendment rights,” the arrest report said.

Mr. Andreychenko tried to enlist his sister Anastasia Andreychenko to film him entering the Walmart, the police said, adding, “He called it a social experiment on how his Second Amendment right would be respected in a public area.” She declined, and he used his phone to record video, according to the report.
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He didn't even own the weapon and body armor before the mass murders. He was specifically inspired by those events to buy the items and parade them around at a store of the same name as the one that was attacked so that he could complain about his rights being disrespected if anybody had a bad reaction. Sekkin Memmint!
 
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Cain said:
Cool video, but in fairness, the NRA wasn't taken over by right-wing gun-nuts until the 70s (which is not to suggest that said right-wing gun nuts would defend black militias). It's simply a fact the NRA used to be much more amenable to firearm regulations. Their almost religious opposition is a relatively recent phenomenon.
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True. But it is a phenomenon nonetheless.

The GOP (recently) used to stand for and behind much different principles than it does today. Almost the opposite ones.

Things change.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
But they didn't merely not defend the black militia, they affirmatively supported the bill. Well, more specifically they changed from having concerns with the bill to fully endorsing an even more restrictive bill.

The bill (brought forth after another incident with the Black Panthers) was floundering in the Judiciary Committee, in part because of the objections of sportsmen associations and the NRA, until the capitol incident. Then it was made even more restrictive. When Mulford testified to the Judiciary Committee that the bill had the "full support" of the NRA, it finally made it out of Committee.
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I did not know that, but I don't think it necessarily strengthens the argument you want to make. If the bill was brought forth because of an incident with the Black Panthers, then the NRA's initial opposition would appear principled. If they were craven racists, we should have expected them to support the legislation straight-away. But they didn't.

How prominent was this bill before the stunt at the capitol building? As funny as it is in retrospect to see terrified white people, openly carrying arms into the legislature was intended as political theater and[/] intimidation (sort of like the recently arrested clown at a Wal*mart). It was also national news, and if the public didn't have a strong opinion before, then they certainly did after seeing the teevee.

Fast-tracked.

With an addendum for immediate enactment.
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Presumably because of the televised stunt.

For years the GOP in South Carolina supported the Confederate flag outside their state house. After a white supremacist murdered nine parishioners, some Republicans revised their stance and said it has to go. Should we infer that they actually wanted get rid of the Confederate shout-out all along? Should we say they had an epiphany and realized that it was just bad symbolism? Or, perhaps the most anodyne explanation: the political winds shifted. This is not to suggest we insist on a monocausal explanation, but out of the three, the last was probably the biggest factor.
 
ponderingturtle said:
The cops were there and shot him right away. As for shooting that much in 30 seconds that is the point of such weapons. Pretty basic, he chose a target rich environment but one that had a few too many cops for a real high body count. And unlike at schools or the concealed carry people in walmart the cops here shot him.
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Meanwhile someone tried for a similar attack in Norway.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-shooting-at-norway-mosque-suspect-in-custody

One person injured before the shooter was overpowered by the unarmed congregation.

It's almost as though single-shot firearms are less effective than semiautomatic ones if you want to kill lots of people before being killed yourself.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
While the lefties are pretending like the two nut-jobs who shot up Dayton and El Paso are the biggest news this year, 7 people were murdered and 52 wounded just in Chicago last weekend and Baltimore has reached 200 murders already this year. It's one giant "Look at the squirrel".
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Sorry, the daily murders by gang-bangers in large cities doesn't fit the chosen narrative here. I've already tried this approach. Just another weekend in Chicago I guess.

It needs to be tied to white supremacy dontcha see? There are like 50 of those per year after all! Fifty I say! And that is less than in 2015 and 2016, but never mind that. It's a bigger problem, just trust me!
 
mgidm86 said:
Sorry, the daily murders by gang-bangers in large cities doesn't fit the chosen narrative here. I've already tried this approach. Just another weekend in Chicago I guess.

It needs to be tied to white supremacy dontcha see? There are like 50 of those per year after all! Fifty I say! And that is less than in 2015 and 2016, but never mind that. It's a bigger problem, just trust me!
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I happy for you that you never worried about Islamic terrorism. After all, so many more people die each day from sources that aren't Islamic terrorism, so why should we worry about it? Right?
 
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